I don’t know anything about any of this. Can someone explain the significance of the color of light saber?
Thanks.
My mind was split 80% on thinking “ohhh so pretty!” and 20% on “… if that’s what sort of damage it does, why the hell aren’t unmanned hyperspace torpedoes a thing?”. Star Wars space combat has always been a silly copy of WWII-era naval/aerial combat and I’m usually fine with that but this broke my suspension of disbelief.
The meaning of the colors is probably explained deep in the EU canon but I don’t know shit about that. As far as I can tell, the discussion about Blue vs Green vs Red is all about who has possession of what and when.
Blue lightsaber
Built by Anakin sometime in the prequels
Obi Wan gives it to Luke in A New Hope
Luke loses it when his hand is cut off in Empire
Maz whatsherface finds it somehow
Maz gives it to Rey in The Force Awakens
Torn in half by Rey and Kylo in The Last Jedi
Luke appears to use it as a force ghost in The Last Jedi
Green lightsaber
Built by Luke as a replacement for Ol’ Blue before Return
Luke still has it in The Last Jedi
Red lightsaber
Built by Kylo Ren out malfunctioning laser pointers prior to The Force Awakens
CoolHandCox, I read this today in the IMDB Trivia section for the movie:
Thank. Not sure how I missed it. My wife clearly saw it and saw the other slave boys react to it (in an oh wow what did he just do sort of way).
Anybody can harness the force.
Is it, though? I mean, all Kylo can really notice is that Luke has a blue lightsaber. Like, he knows that Luke went into seclusion after that whole brouhaha – but he doesn’t know what Luke then did, right? Why, as far as I know, as far as he knows, Luke has been spending his days and nights crafting himself a whole collection of laser swords that light up in every color of the rainbow!
Just saw it. So much to unpack and process. I’ll start by reading this thread when I get home.
Like gonzoron I’m surprised at the near-universal acclaim I’m seeing here… I came away from this movie very disappointed and felt it was a bit of a mess. On it’s own merits, it’s not a bad movie by any means, but with all the good publicity I had seen ahead of time (including giving Rian his own trilogy) I expected something Empire Strikes Back level, and instead was left wondering if I would rank this better or worse than some of the prequel movies.
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Narratively it feels very bumpy. Something I’ve always loved about Star Wars was that it felt very classic, good-vs-evil, hero’s journey, with a clear sense of progression. This movie felt like it had too many bumps narratively, lots of fakeouts and such. Leia’s dead, no she isn’t. Poe springs a mutiny because it’s needed, no it’s not (and his plan actually ends up putting the Resistance in a worse position). Luke’s dead, no he isn’t, now he is.
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What was the point of the dark-side hole and the mirror scene?
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Leia’s force jump was… ugh. Obviously they were going for a crowning moment of awesome, but to me it just looked really goofy. And didn’t make sense for what we know of Leia’s powers - yes, she’s force sensitive, but surviving in space like that is something that should be wayyy beyond her.
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What was the point of Luke projecting himself across the galaxy if he was just going to die anyways?
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Yoda’s appearance felt very shoehorned in to me.
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Too many things go wrong due to the good guys being idiots. Poe’s mutiny helped nothing, but the leadership seems fine with sweeping it under the bridge. Finn/Rose’s actions end up hurting the Resistance. It also didn’t help that Admiral Holdo completely rubbed me the wrong way… I dunno if it was her character design (an admiral with pink hair and an evening gown?) or her general acting, but it made it hard for me to appreciate her eventual sacrifice
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Speaking of roles I feel were miscast, I still can’t stand Hux. I liked the guy in charge of the dreadnaught, wish he was still around…
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Overall the Finn/Rose part of the storyline left me pretty bored. The casino planet looked really out of place and didn’t feel like Star Wars to me. Didn’t care for Del Toro’s character at all. Phasma is still lame and wasted (is it that hard to make her badass?) I kept wanting them to get back to the Luke/Rey/Kylo stuff.
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Killing Snoke halfway through was … odd. I’m not opposed to it (I think it actually works as a great moment) but I’m disappointed that they just offed him without explaining anything. It’s one thing for the Emperor in the original trilogy to just be a dark, backstory-less malevolent figure, that’s his narrative role, the way the story is constructed, he doesn’t need a backstory. But coming after the original trilogy, Snoke needs one, and we didn’t get it. And I’m still wondering where the other Knights of Ren are.
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The Rey/Kylo stuff came oh so close to going in an interesting direction… but then at the end we’re still in the same position as the end of TFA, we’ve got a whiny angry Kylo lashing out and Mary Sue-tier Rey. A common complaint in TFA was about Rey being so powerful in the Force with pretty much zero training, and all they did was double down on that here.
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Chewbacca, R2 and C3P0 don’t get much to do. R2 is almost “blink and you’ll miss him” category. I know they need to get rid of the old guard of character but there’s got to be a better way to do it.
In the end, there are definitely things I liked, but there were also a lot of things I didn’t, or felt like they could’ve used some more time in the oven (like Holdo’s arc). It felt overstuffed and honestly not very Star Wars-ish, despite having a lot of bits cobbled from it here and there. TFA, while it felt like a straight ripoff, felt narratively a lot stronger because of it. Say what you will about Lucas, but he clearly had large swathes of the story in mind, whereas this one seems to suffer a bit from “making it up as we go along.”
So here is one thing I didn’t like, though it was probably unavoidable:
Early on, the light-speed “last charge” was heavily telegraphed. “They only have fuel for ONE MORE JUMP TO LIGHTSPEED. That’s right, JUST ONE JUMP. Did you hear me? EXACTLY ONE JUMP, NOT TWO JUMPS! Except they have an FTL tracker, so we CAN’T ACTUALLY JUMP.”
So we are clearly headed straight for a light-speed ramming, which will be the baddest ass thing since Battlestar Galactica did an FTL air evacuation straight into the atmosphere of New Caprica.
And of course, Carrie Fisher has left us (RIP). I expect her death will be depicted in this movie. So OF COURSE she will be awarded the most AWESOME BADASS SUICIDE CHARGE EVER. Single-handedly destroying an Imperial Star Destroyer at LIGHT FUCKING SPEED! I LITERALLY CANNOT WAIT!
But no. They give this honor to… Laura Dern? Laura F’ing Dern? And meanwhile General Leia goes out gently into the sunset, looking worried, dispensing motherly advice and fondling Han’s old dice or whatever. Really, they couldn’t have made some time in the first 2 hours of the film to take care of all that sentimental shit?
Disappointed, I was.
So somebody had to die, and it was Luke Skywalker, who did not die in real life and is still alive (true story) and totally could have died early in the next film.
I don’t get it, but I guess I don’t have to get everything. It seems they’d already shot all of Fisher’s scenes when she passed on, so it would have been to expensive to work it into this installment.
Still and all, I enjoyed it. Maybe enjoyed it more than the last one, even. I won’t mind seeing it again with my kids in a couple of weeks.
But you figure he’ll be in the next film anyway, as a blue ghost, right?
It created a diversion to give time for the Resistance to escape out the back way. Because he wasn’t actually there, he wasn’t killed immediately by the massive amount of blasting Kylo shot at him and therefore gave the Resistance more time.
I really enjoyed it a lot, although I can’t really argue with many of the problems people had with it. I feel like with TFA they tried to make a good movie and did well, and with TLJ they tried to make a great movie and had more rough edges, but still succeeded (IMO). There were lots of little plot problems and some scenes that didn’t work, but I’ve thought that about all of the Star Wars movies.
Now, just to be sure I didn’t miss something - Benicio didn’t have any relationship to the guy Maz sent them to find, right? When they met him, I kept expecting them to reveal that the flower pin was his and he had lost it in a card game, or something.
My guess is that if he actually came along with Rey and faced off with Kylo, (old guy who hasn’t touched the force in forever vs. young punk in his prime) he would have died too quickly to be of use in stalling. (like for example, being splattered by that barrage of ALL THE GUNS).
A clear example of “show, don’t tell.” We hear that she was a hero, but it was all off-screen. If we’d heard of her in TFA, at least, it might have been more resonant, I think.
Have to disagree here. a little 3PO goes a long way. I think it was a good amount for him. (Same with Chewie, actually.) And R2’s big moment, dredging up the Leia hologram, was one of the most moving parts of the whole movie, I thought.
Just thought of one more thing that bugged me, though: The Rose/Finn kiss felt very cliche and unearned. I didn’t see anything approaching love there until she said it. Just seemed like the old trope that a man and woman who spend any significant time together simply must fall in love. 
I appreciate the effort here but I’m still not convinced. Luke’s distraction (compared to getting blasted) gives them, what, another minute or two? Guess it depends on how long Kylo took to get out of the walker and walk to him. And how would Luke know it would play out like that? Maybe Kylo would’ve just confronted him one-on-one anyways (though Kylo’s rage is a known thing I suppose).
But overall I think it was just another fakeout that doesn’t really do anything for the plot. If the scene was just Luke actually showing up, and delaying Kylo with a duel, and then going Obi-Wan style… well, the effect is the same. I think there needed to be something more to it to make it really ‘work’.
I don’t think so - my takeaway was they were there to meet red pin guy, they got arrested before they could meet him, and by chance found a different guy (Del Toro) in jail who just happened to have the same set of skills. I’d assume Maz’s guy would’ve been more trustworthy.
I haven’t seen it yet, and glad to hear the positive comments. What did you think of The Force Awakens? I thought it was mediocre, at best. I would very much like to see a good Star Wars movie, but that last one was a stinker, IMO.
No, because as everyone knows, when you become a blue ghost, you revert to your appearance in the latest version of the earliest movie, and/or Pac-Man eats you.
But you point out something that I did enjoy, which was my initial confusion when Luke survived the artillery barrage as a (now obvious) ghost, BUT NOT A BLUE GHOST WTF IS EVEN THAT! So I had a fun few minutes trying to wrap my head around that, and then I was very satisfied with the explanation, and the fact that they would throw this little mini-puzzle in there, until suddenly I had to wrap my head around why didn’t Luke just physically travel there if he were already determined to die. I mean, it’s just good form to make apologies in person, isn’t it?
Travel there on what - his X-wing that’s been submerged in the ocean for whoever knows how many years?
He could have just hitched a ride on the Millennium Falcon with Rey, Chewie, and R2.
The biggest problem I have with the movie is how they handled Snoke. They could easily have put in some kind of an Easter egg that would reveal to die hard fans what his history is without having to change the rest of the movie at all. It almost feels like they didn’t do that to purposely screw with the fans that have spent the last two years speculating on his origins.
Snoke didn’t get a backstory because Snoke wasn’t that interesting - he was just some bad guy who was good with the Force. In the end, his sole purpose in the story was to die. I mean, HE may have thought he was the Big Bad, but he was just a schmuck.
You know, I hope this movie has taught us fans not to waste the next two years on idle speculation. I think it’s pretty clear that whatever we guess will be wrong, so let’s just lean back and enjoy the ride.
I actually liked EP7, but the new film is operating on a completely different level. Unlike its predecessor, this one has ambitions, and no just in terms of special effects.