It is mere bigotry on his part* even if* it’s a reflection of what he sees.
Those are not the only women a Rock star sees (unless he’s kept in a box between concerts). Hell, just driving in a bus between venues, he must run into waitresses, checkout ladies - not to mention any women on the staff of his record company.
Nor are all women fans of Rock stars willing to degrade themselves for attention. Some just like the music, and they’re at concerts in abundance (well, they are here, I don’t know about America)
But then the fault is *his *for being, to put it bluntly, quite stupid. Or lazy-thinking, it amounts to the same.
A resistance to Orwellian Newspeak; a resistance to the idea that people can force changes to free speech. Its the idea, not the content. I don’t go for forced politeness for the purpose of not offending anyone. If I can’t offend anyone (and I am talking about inadvertant offense) then I cannot express ideas that might offend someone’s political belief, then their political beliefs rule because mine can’t be expressed.
It’s an end run around free speech and meant to be a political tool of suppression.
Political Correctness demands that we agree with it.
Yeah, that sure is a mystery. Maybe it had something to do with all those students waving the Little Red Book, wearing Che tee shirts, going to harvest sugar cane in Cuba, or the fact that people like Ward Churchill and William Ayers keep turning up in our education system. You know, stuff like that.
It’s more like constantly having to censor your own speech and thoughts to avoid being ostracized as “racist” simply because you don’t toe the party line. Nobody wants to become the object of a two minutes hate.
I never had an argument that the fifties were more polite.
I refer more to attaching a stigma by the use of P.C. to say, someone who is for social security reform, by making him appear “insensitive” to the needs of others.
I have no problem with basic politeness, and am not for calling anyone a nigger.
Think about my post again, especially the “resistance to Orwellian Newspeak” part.
I’m against what you did in your post–trying to imply I’m a racist when I said nothing at all pertaining to racism, and have never given a shred of evidence here from which someone could reasonably conclude I am a racist.
Give us an example of this Newspeak. What idea would you like to express that you feel manipulated away from daring to speak it? I don’t think being called “insensitive” rises to that standard.
So, therefore, anyone who posts in the thread must favor a view that the 50’s were more polite? Can’t I post if I think things are just as polite today?
I already gave an example. I’m not here to mindlessly churn out everything you ask because you do not share my views.
Frankly, I do not care what you think “rises to the level.” You are asking questions about my views, and I do not need your permission nor do I need to conform to your views. If you don’t like my views, you don’t have to ask.
You have definitely implied that only racists are concerned with P.C.
Once you deny what you plainly did do, I will lose patience trying to talk to you. What’s the point when any fact may be mutable at your whim?
On the other hand saying, “Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply you were a racist,” goes a long way toward encouraging me to provide another example.
But, since I get everything wrong, there is no point in you and I talking, now is there?
Now see, here is where I really do not understand you.
While you complain of misogyny, you engage in it by claiming that your judgment of who a woman should sleep with trumps their judgment, and therefore you call them degraded based on their choice of who to sleep with.
I also recall that you assured us of your knowledge of what goes on in rock bands, but now you claim that in South Africa the women just go to see the show and have no desire to sleep with the stars they might idolize. South Africa must have a really bad rock scene.
I suppose all the non-degraded South African women are just morally superior to American women, who rightfully believe their choice as to who they sleep with is theirs to make. Any non Mr.Dibble approved are degraded.
If you want to debate you need to learn to avoid senseless offenses. All you have to do is read the thread. Since I nowhere have taken such a position, or hinted at it, your question becomes less a question and more a sly way to say I am a racist because I do not like P.C.
I spoke of Orwellian Newspeak. Your question could have been relevant to that if debate is your interest.
It’s an inappropriate question to ask of someone who hasn’t argued anything to the contrary. Questions do have inferences, you know. I’m not interested in quibbling over it. If you’re not interested in any of the social graces to smooth it over, I’m not interested in “debating” you.
and its been asked, though in perhaps slightly different forms, several times. Read the thread and if you want to debate my view ask something relevant to my view.
No, it was a skill like any other. It was taught by parents who had the skill. That died when women entered the work force in large numbers. The family unit changed from primary wage earner and primary parent to one of dual wage earners with limited parental skills.
My mother and her generation were the primary social educators and that skill is no longer getting passed down.
When I went to a shopping mall in a van with my granddaughters, my granddaughter’s boyfriend, and my grandson, the two young men literally raced to my door on the passenger side to hold the door for me and assist me in getting out. I wouldn’t give up on the younger generation just yet.
My grandson’s mother, by the way, worked and was in law school.
Are you suggesting that fathers are incapable of teaching social skills or that these skills can’t be taught by both parents as a team? Women entered the work force in large numbers in the early Forties. What evidence do you have that social skills took a dive at that time? Did social skills improve when women returned to homemaking after the war?
My mother worked both at home and with my father in his store even when I was very small. And my dad worked over seventy hours and six days a week. Do you think that he was any less a parent to me? To the contrary, he was the one with the parenting skills. Just don’t forget that both men and women work at home. I learned some social skills from some of them and from my teachers. I learned the most important social concerns from my father.
No, I call them degraded because of* how they are treated* by those they would sleep with, not because of who they want to sleep with. I have no problem with women sleeping with whoever they want to. I do have a problem with women being treated as disposable commodities even if the women are going along with it because of the inequities of the power relationship.
I did? I made one sarcastic reply to your argumentum ad ipse-dixitism. I didn’t “assure” anyone of anything.
…and again we’re back to the straw man…I very specifically said “some.” We have groupies just like elsewhere. They just are not the only fanbase, and I doubt they are even that major numerically.
It’s pretty sexist to think women would only be into Rock for the personalities involved rather than liking the music, don’t you think?