Starving Artist's "good old days"... talked to an expert

You said women “degrade themselves,” not others degrade them. I’m not buying it, you have degraded women, in your mind, who sleep with those you do not approve of.

You said some. By all non-degraded, I meant the “some” you spoke of–all of those in that category.

I’m merely pointing out cause and effect. You can’t re-task a primary caregiver from the family unit and not expect things to change.

Some of the difference between this statement and Zoe’s may be that children are perceptive. If there is any link between emotions and manners, this may be true:
A child who perceives that his parents are seldom home due to some huge cause to fight evil such as world war two may not get any emotional feelings of abandonment and such if he understands why his parents are not home.

Without these huge causes for everyone to chip in on, the child may feel resentment wondering why he/she is not more important than the reasons mommy and daddy may have today for not being home.

A huge monster EVERYONE helps fight makes more sense to him/her as to why he/she is lonely, without necessarily feeling resentment. Some of the reasons may not seem good enough today: “mommy and daddy just don’t get along” and the myriad different things kids are told when they ask about the other parent.

If they have resentment, I think bad manners are more likely to follow.

Well I was actually referring to post war America. I consider the baby boomers as the last generation to experience a family structured around a full time parent. It was a substantially different lifestyle than what we see today. There were more social skills taught to a 5 year old than a high school teenager today.

Again, you can’t subtract time dedicated to schooling a child and not have some repercussions as a result.

Well, I really do not care who is sinning against whom. Since I am neither left nor right while I am also left and right together, I get it either way.:mad:

Lutz of course is using “Orwellian” in an entirely different way than I am. I draw from the book 1984; he takes his term Orwellian from Orwell’s essay Politics and the English language.

Interesting to read about Lutz though. thx.

No, you’re not.

I just came in to mention that my elderly grandmother(she’s 106) does not believe in the concept of the “Good Old Days” She’s told me she thinks air conditioning, refrigerators, washing machines and dryers, INDOOR BATHROOMS, and so on, plus modern medicine, make living life so much easier and better. She told me that the only thing she really misses from her younger years are family and friends that have gone on before her. Heck, she’s outlived just about everyone she ever knew.

As to how people behave, she told me that she thought people “fooled around” just as much when she was growing up. And I also learned the tale of a neighboring farmer who killed a traveling salesman(no, it’s not a joke!) for fooling with his daughter(she was “mentally challenged” A jury judged him “not guilty” but he lost the farm to his lawyer because of the fees.

Seems to me that the more things change the more they stay the same.

I think it’s quite possible that the rapid technological advances our society has made in the past few decades has degraded morality and family cohesiveness through focus shift. Materialism boomed and we lost touch with reality. Just my 2 pennies.