You wrote just a short while ago:
(de-emphasis mine)
Making it painfully apparent that you really have no idea what you’re saying at all, or you have just decided that you are going to defend Zimmerman at all costs, logic and reason being chief among those costs.
Whether you have a built-in shield or you have erected one deliberately, nothing is getting through.
It came from a recording on Martin’s phone.
By the way, brazil…
So how is that supposed to work exactly? I told you where the evidence was, that’s all I can do, since it’s video. If you refuse to watch it, does that mean you think I can just somehow inject it into your brain?
You clearly haven’t watched it recently, since you’re wrong about it’s contents. Why should he, if you can’t be bothered to?
The most useful thing you could do would be to rewatch it and link to the part that supports your theory. That’s how it should work, you should support your claim.
I won’t hold my breath…
Hard to get anything resembling a quality voice sample from the dead guy, one would think.
Does that go for Zimmerman too? The sample used from him was the NEN call. Is that quality?
(Geeze, I try to share information as to where the ABC new sample came from, and I get the angry red letters. You are a prickly pear, DragonAsh.)
Watched it. Also watching subsequent interviews. And the part I was wrong about in relation to the re-enactment video was that (good, presumably) said he was going to call the police, not 911, and GZ said (approximately) no, don’t: help me restrain this guy! Apart from that (which no one mentioned! Trying to turn truth into fiction, the actual error was missed entirely!) I was absolutely right about the contents.
So that answers an earlier question from our dear double-shielded Magiver about how long Zimmerman labored under the misapprehension that he’d somehow managed to not hit someone he took aim and shot at point blank range… long enough to climb on his back, arrange his arms, and ask someone to help him “restrain” Martin who was either already dead or seconds away, and certainly not putting up any resistance. But GZ still didn’t think he’d hit him.
So does anyone have any kind of creative speculation to account for Zimmerman being, evidently, a moron who seems to think that bullets take a sharp right or left turn when they exit the chamber, missing the 160 pounds of flesh 2-4 inches directly in front of them?
Anyone?
How could you possibly know, since you never cite anything at all?
Ok, show me the evidence that Zimmerman stated his gun was underneath him.
A direct capture of normal voice using a cellphone microphone.
vs.
A recording captured on the other end of a phone call, of a voice heard from a distance, through walls, and not in a regular tone of voice.
Does not compute.
Let’s take Zimmerman to the scene of the crime. I’ll volunteer to fly down there, punch him, we’ll dance around until we make it a few houses down, and I’ll subdue him. We’ll get the witness on the phone with 911. Then let’s hear Zimmerman scream. Compare the original audio with the test. That could perhaps prove it was “Georgie” screaming. (Zimmerman is not allowed to be armed during this experiment)
No, I just take your cites and show you’re wrong about them. It’s better that way because you can’t argue the legitimacy of the cite.
So, please, link to the part of the video which shows where Zimmerman didn’t think he’d shot Martin. Then explain how he said to the witness to tell his wife he’d shot somebody. He changed his mind when he saw what the facts were. Something most people can do, except you so it seems. Hell, I did it about this very case, when it turned out Zimmerman had done nothing wrong. I originally assumed it would be manslaughter, based on false, biased reporting.
For your claims about Zimmerman to hold, he would have to behave in ways completely different to other humans. He would have to have perfect observation and recall under stress, to eliminate the possibility of mistakes, he would have to magically know exactly what the witnesses had seen and the forensics would find, to match his story so well with theirs, and he would have to have somehow planned to have Martin come back to him and attack him. It is, quite literally, impossible that it happened that way. You are demonstrably wrong, and your own posts, and the flaws in them, prove that. Even in the calm of posting on a message board, with unlimited time to get things right, you still make mistakes and misinterpretations. And yet, you think that Zimmerman could not have done that…
Eh, not so much, as you said repeatedly that Martin “fell on his face”, and missed Zimmerman’s ambiguity as to what was said by Martin.
So, what, five-ten seconds or so?
Also, Dr. Bao testified that Martin could have lived for up to 10 minutes, after first saying 1 to 3 minutes. Dr. DiMaio tesitifed that it was 1 to 3 minutes. So, on what do you base “already dead or seconds away”?
Zimmerman allegedly fired from the hip, more or less, not from a perfect Weaver stance.
Afterward, Martin allegedly sat up, said something, then either fell off of Zimmerman or was shoved off.
Is that what people do when they are shot? I have no idea. As far as we know, Zimmerman had never seen someone get shot before. Who knows what he was expecting to see if he’d shot Martin? Martin to fly backward? Martin to die instantly? Who knows?
So, in sum, you are asserting that: a) Zimmerman knew that the muzzle was aligned with Martin’s chest at the moment the pistol went off, despite the darkness and, oh yeah, Martin being on top of him; b) Zimmerman knew that a person who is shot might sit up and say something, and c) Martin definitely fell on his face, he wasn’t shoved off by Zimmerman in a passive posture that could be mistaken for surrender.
That’s a lot to assume, I must say.
No it’s not impossible to miss him. He was struggling for a gun which if you looked at it is very small. According to the ballistic evidence it was not pressed up against Martin. Given that you yourself argued Martin was incapacitated by the shot and therefore couldn’t say anything or move his hands it’s logical for Zimmerman to briefly question whether or not the shot connected. “I didn’t think I hit him” means he didn’t know for sure whether Martin was shot or was acknowledging Zimmrman had a gun . So I’ll ask you again how long you thought it took for him to realize that?
And feel free to reign in your childish koolaid insults. You have yet to prove anything you’ve said. Your entire argument has been one of your feelings for Zimmerman and not provable facts. This is why the prosecution failed. They had no evidence to back up their claim. The only witness to support their claim was Dee Dee and that blew up in their face. This was predicted early in this thread by a number of people.
While I’m reliving the magic of Zimmerman’s Very Big Adventure…some other stuff that has been argued about: Was the gun inside his pants? Some say yes, some say no.
[Richard Dawson] Zimmy SEZ![/Richard Dawson]
Check out the 10 minute mark. He grabs his back side to indicate where his weapon was located.
Couple that with Zimmerman’s interviews where he states that during that time TM continued to smother and bash Zimmerman’s head. The defense also used the same positioning several times to make their case.
Without a doubt (according to Zimmerman) the gun was under him.
Huh? Who says it wasn’t an inside-the-waistband holster?
Hey, check this out. Serino bluffing? Or did the anonymous caller just stay anonymous? Either way, looks like my idea about Zimmy trying to “detain” wasn’t just some off-the-wall wackitude unique to me. And of course, whether Serino is bluffing or there was an anonymous caller who kept their anonymity, this makes a whole fuckload more sense than Zimmy’s version.. But of course I would think that, because I’ve always thought that…
I cannot state with absolute certainty without doing a search, but I strongly believe that it was Magiver who argued that it was not. No doubt because that just adds to the incredible nature of his story, and Magiver just can’t stand that.
But it does turn out that it was inside the waistband, on the right, towards the back, if Zimmy’s gestures tell us anything. Under his shirt and his jacket. Behind Martin’s knee. Where Martin saw it. In the dark. And Zimmerman saw him see it. And grabbed it first.
It’s remarkable how it just becomes more ridiculous, instead of less.
Serino said, during his testimony, that he lied to Zimmerman, a lot, in order to try to trap him.
Just against his clothes, which is of course an enormous distinction when we’re talking about whether the bullet went forward, left, right, up, or down.
I will need you to clarify, please.
Are YOU arguing that Martin was incapacitated, could not speak, could not move his hands, therefore Zimmerman had no way to figure out whether his shot found it’s mark? If not, what are you trying to convey with the above?
Yes, I believe I know what the words “I didn’t think I hit him” mean. Pretty simple stuff.
Realize what? You really need to be more precise. How long did it take GZ to realize that he DID hit him? If that’s the question, so far it appears that he still did not know that he hit him by the time the police arrived, given his urgent request of the neighbor to “help restrain” the dead/almost dead guy underneath him, and the police arriving seconds later, at which point he rose from the body. Still haven’t found the part where he says he finally figured it out, but he managed to stay in the dark from shot-to-police, which is wholly unbelievable unless he’s a moron, and as previously noted, we have evidence which would indicate that he is in no way a moron.
I am sincere when I say that at this point, I’m pretty sure that if I produced a video with night vision and enhanced audio showing you that Zimmerman hunted him down and blew him away you wouldn’t consider it proof. Because nothing is proof to someone who can make up, then accept, just about anything that looks like it might serve to cover Zimmerman’s gaping holes. You don’t want to see the holes, so you don’t. I accept that. It would be unhealthy for me not to, I’d go mad.