Ok. It is unambiguously a right-handed inside-the-waistband holster. I guess in theory you could use it as a left handed outside-the-waistband holster, but it would be really floppy and unsecure, and the pistol would be facing backwards in a cross-draw setup.
Zimmerman says:
“That’s when my jacket moved up, and I had my firearm on my right side hip and my jacket moved up and he saw it, I feel like he saw it, he looked at it and he said ‘You’re gonna die tonight motherfucker’ and he reached for it, like I felt his arm going down my side, and I grabbed it and I just grabbed my firearm and shot him. One time.”
Say Martin didn’t really see the gun, he said “You’re gonna die tonight motherfucker” as just a general thing to say during a beating, but Zimmerman felt his arm on that side for a moment and honestly believed that Martin had seen and would try to take his gun, since he was already hitting him and all. So, he drew it first and fired.
Again, not only did Zimmerman see him see it. Trayvon announced that he saw the weapon “you’re gonna die tonight, MFer” prior to making a slow, weak move towards the weapon. This part of the story really ties up any and all loose ends Zimmerman may have been afraid about with his self defense claim, because it shows Trayvon was going to kill him.
Trayvon, a kid who never did anything like this before (to anyones knowledge). A kid without an arrest record. A kid who never was in any serious trouble before. A kid who minutes earlier was walking home while having a conversation with a friend.
Yep, Trayvon in that instant decided his first criminal activity was going to be murder of a stranger several feet from his house in front of a dozen witnesses. He was so sure of his killing abilities he brazenly said he would do it even before having the gun in his possession. He said it before it is likely he could have even seen the weapon.
And then after all of those dramatic actions and an executable death threat he seemingly forgets about the gun and continued to bash Zimmerman’s head. TM Must have thought, “well shucks, Zimmerman’s one handed arm bar and gun grab was too cool for me. I’ll forget about the gun and start trying to kill this chubby man the old fashioned way again.”
Trayvon, the kid who twitted to his friends bragging of how he made people bleed when fist-fighting?
You are under this misconception that Trayvon has to have attempted killing Zimmerman in order for Zimmerman’s self-defense claim to be valid. That is incorrect. You do realize that is incorrect, right?
What story you (i.e., Mr-Pookie) believe has just about zero effect on the real world. No one cares. Nothing changes based on whether you (i.e., Mr-Pookie) believe or don’t believe one story or another.
The people who do matter (i.e., the jury) believed a story that included GZ having acted reasonably in self defense. That’s all that matters.
Lol, seems like you are the one who finds English challenging. I made it clear that I am not interested in searching for evidence to support your position. That’s your job.
I’m not sure what about this is hard to understand.
I really think you should take a little time to read about extreme stress situations. People do illogical things (e.g. my friend who kept screaming at emergency responders to help her fiance who was very obviously dead).
As I said, Blink by Gladwell is a great book and talks about the repercussions of how uninitiated people react in a situation like this one.
There is a physiological response that happens during acute stress. Blood is drawn away from your outer layer of skin (causing you to bleed less from cuts, etc) and directed to your brain and other vital organs. An increased heart rate from the excess blood pumping through your body impairs cognitive function, sometimes to even do/comprehend the most basic things.
As an example, emergency professionals often tell people to practice dialing 911 (with an unplugged phone, not actually calling). This is because people have “forgotten” the number during a high stress situation. This is also why schools, offices, public buildings are required hold fire drills. Despite people logically knowing that it’s best to exit a building in a calm orderly fashion they often panic and try to push, shove or climb their way out. There have even been stories of people “forgetting” where the exits are, even when clearly marked.
Extra glucose is sent surging through your body giving you a sugar high in addition to the adrenaline. Both of these can inhibit short term memory conversion to long-term memory. Our brain is then forced to “fill in the gap” as best we can from what we do remember.
And at the end of the day I’m willing to bet there was a moment of “I can’t believe I just shot someone, no… I must have missed him. God I hope I didn’t hit him,” that ran through his head. Or at least I hope there was. I don’t know. No one does.
He struggles for the gun and manages to squeeze the trigger. He expects Martin to go down and he doesn’t. For a few brief seconds he questions whether or not he hit him. You yourself have claimed that Martin couldn’t do anything because of where the bullet went yet you’ve been shown that this is quite possible. Now you’re surprised that Zimmerman was surprised. Color me surprised at your surprise.
No, you’re arguing that YOU expected that outcome but don’t accept that Zimmerman reacted the same and therefore didn’t know if he actually hit him. That was what I was trying to convey.
It was a simple question. when do you think Zimmerman realized Martin was struck by a bullet? 1 second? 5 seconds? 2 days? take a guess.
You have no capacity to reason at all. You think everything he says is a lie and then go on to suggest what might have happened and then declare him guilty of that. You have yet to PROVE a single lie. You have a belief system that rivals that of many religions but like those religions you can’t prove anything.
Based on the evidence at hand there is nothing that contradicts his account of what happened. All the evidence either backs up what he says or is neutral. You can’t except this.
It’s not a function of knowing if it could happen a different way, it’s a function of the evidence available set against his testimony. How you don’t understand this is so believable at this point it’s beyond reason. If there were evidence that proved a contradiction to his claim of self defense he would be sitting in jail right now.
In an alternate universe where words mean something radically different…:rolleyes: Anyone care to tell me what the meaningful distinction is supposed to be between Zim pushing him off or him falling? What difference are you perceiving between Martin being so weak and limp and unresisting (like someone who just got shot!) he can be easily shoved off vs. being so weak and limp that he simply falls (like someone who just got shot)? The difference between “you got me” and “you got me or you got it”?
Yes, Trayvon was in fist fights with people. He was a youngster. That is a pretty big jump to become a murderer.
I don’t disagree with you.
It matters because I believe this story is a lie made up because Zimmerman didn’t think what he did was justified by self defense law in the heat of the moment.
I do realize what he thought didn’t matter so much as what actually happened. If he made up this part of the story then what other parts of the story were fabricated to put his actions in a legitimate light? How much of his account is what happened?
Which part are you asking me to believe? Because I don’t believe Martin said that. I don’t believe the gun was holstered at that point to begin with, so I don’t believe the whole reveal-grab story. I don’t believe Zimmerman had a sincere fear for his life and health.
The six members of the jury, after seeing all the evidence provided to them by the prosecution and by the defense, decided that a reasonable person in the same circumstances would have felt fear of death or great bodily harm (and yes, I know they just return guilty or non-guilty, but without self-defense angle they had to find guilty of manslaughter, so it is pretty clear that they decided it based on self-defense).
Stoid, I and the others arguing the evidence of the case would just as easily toss Zimmerman under the bus if the evidence backed that up. It doesn’t. I DON’T CARE about Zimmerman. His first name isn’t Bob and he’s not my uncle. He’s the poster child of why concealed guns aren’t useful for protection. It nearly got him killed. Had Martin approached me for the 2nd time I’d already have a knife in my hand and I wouldn’t take my eyes off him for any reason. I learned that the hard way. Zimmerman should have learned that working as a bouncer. The other thing he shouldn’t have done is meet Martin’s raised voice with his own. Clearly a kid the size of of Martin (who confronted him already at the car) is a potential problem. But regardless of who’s narrative you believe it was a very short exchange. Martin did not give Zimmerman any verbal wiggle room.
So this brings us back to where the fight started. The evidence shows Martin started the verbal confrontation and there is nothing to suggest he was dragged there from his house. So Martin is the person responsible for the confrontation and assault.
He didn’t struggle for the gun, according to Zimmerman. Zimmerman said in one of this many accounts that Trayvon continued to bash his brains in.
The first testimony that he knew was when he asked the neighbor to tell his wife he shot somebody.
Lots of evidence contradicts GZs account. None of it, on it’s own, is a smoking gun to disallow his powerful claim of self defense. Proving he lied is a tall order since nobody saw what happened.