State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman Trial Thread

I’ve mentioned that before, though it went unanswered. TM was, to quote other members of the board, “a minor, a child, a high school kid.”

Who is ultimately responsible for the actions of a minor?

The parents.

And where were they? When, according to sworn statements, was the last time Tray’s mother actually saw him?

Where was his father the night Tray was killed?

And since, ya know, they weren’t around, when can we expect their trial for negligence? After all, their minor child is dead and he shouldn’t be.

I’ll take that into consideration. You might want to leave the eye-rolling bit to DeeDee, though, as it was much funnier when she did it.

ME is asked if the clothes taken off at autopsy were placed in paper bags. ME: “should be”. Asked if they were. Says he has no idea. Asked if they are ever sealed in plastic bags. Says if anyone did that they would be fired the next day.

Fact: they were sealed in plastic bags. So who was fired?

The body was turned on its back immediately after the police arrived, and left that way.

I wish the Orange County M.E. (Dr. G) had done the autopsy. Her staff doesn’t make bush league mistakes like putting wet clothes in plastic bags. Or not bagging the hands. Dr. G knows how to testify correctly too. I saw her testify in the Casey Anthony trial.

I know I’m seen as a shill for Zimmerman, but I legitimately feel sorry for the Martin family and the citizens of the State of Florida. If this is why the grand jury was bypassed and the political pressure made a trial necessary, then Jesus, the People deserve better.

Did you read the info at Iggy’s link? It’s not the clearest narrative I’ve ever seen, and the site is strongly anti-Zimmerman, but it says:

I think the 1056 means that Zimmerman was claiming that the landlord was drunk, and the rest of it seems to indicate that the landlord confronted Zimmerman in a shopping center demanding rent. If Zimmerman had a Silver BMW, then it sounds like the drunk landlord tried to take it.

It seems to me that you ought to read a little about this stuff before you make proclamations.

If I was the prosecution, and knowing this witness, I would have put him on the stand and given asked only the most limited questions possible to limit the defense’s ability to cross.

If this wasn’t a 2nd degree murder trial with a 17yr old kid dead, it’d be hilarious…

So true. After the verdict, the headline should read “From Tragedy to Travesty.”

But it was a rousing success for the prosecution!
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I meant to say that initially Martins’ hands were under the body, and that the body was covered up after CPR efforts etc were stopped.

Yes - but the body was covered up.

Once in a while I glance at Leatherman cheering section. They thought the ME testimony so far was a devastating blow to the defense. Seriously. It’s hilarious.

And how long were the hands exposed to the rain?

… and now some talking heads are implying that the notes contain some Brady materials. Which would be a disaster for prosecution. Will see I guess if that’s true.

In general, this ME is an unexpected wonderful gift to the defense. They thought it would be just cut/dry description of the wounds. Instead its is slapstick comedy, and the prosecution is the one that is being slapped.

Is “Brady materials” a legal term?

Regards,
Shodan

I can’t see how even the most strident Martin supporter that thinks Zimmerman should burn in hell for all eternity could watch this slow-motion car-wreck and think that the state has even one good moment so far. None, zero, zilch. The defense hasn’t even presented yet and they still have a shutout. At this rate they could probably get Martin convicted of a felony and get Zimmerman awarded a medal for bravery and valor.

I think ZImmerman is guilty of manslaugher / reckless homicide, but even I think this trial has been an absolute joke. No way Zimmerman is convicted; based on what I’ve seen purely at the trial I’d question our jury system if he was convicted.

But boy, gotta hand it to Florida; you’re nothing if not consistent. In addition to your lovely ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ laws, you also appear to have a laughingly incompetent state prosecution office, if this and the Casey Anthony trial are any indication. Your tax dollars at work! I’m glad I don’t live in Florida.

That’s one possible interpretation. Another is that this is what a prosecution based on insufficient evidence and demanded by politics looks like: desperate and fumbling.

This might be close to the strongest case the prosecution could have made, considering how little evidence they had, and how clearly the people who actually investigated the crime concluded that Zimmerman was most likely innocent, or at least couldn’t be proven guilty.

Brady disclosure

I realize this is from Pulp Fiction, but it’s still inappropriate.

Everyone — lots of posts in this thread are running close to, if not actually being over the line. Mind your p’s and q’s.

I think anyone somewhat familiar with the legal system knows what Brady material is.

I made no such thing. I simply asked a question.

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