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I’m the tall white guy. My friends are Montaue, Kevin, and Mo. Best friends since high school.
I won’t hold my breath for your apology.
Codeine: TM Facebook
“right near” and “in the back of” his house.
Having worked in a 9-1-1 center for several years, answering both emergency and non-emergency lines, I would say that Zimmerman’s call frequency and issues reported would not put him in the same league as those who attempt to manipulate the system to get their way. His calls lack several key factors which are abundant in the calls of those gaming the system.
Let me repeat… Zimmerman’s call frequency is not significant when taken in aggregate. Really. Seriously. Our center has a few dozen callers who call more in one year than Z did in several years. Zimmerman made 46 calls from 2004 to 2011. That is bush league if he is trying to make the chronic callers top ten list.
The Miami Herald reports there were 402 police calls to The Retreat at Twin Lakes development between January 1, 2011 and Feb 26, 2012. Zimmerman made 8 of those calls, including the now infamous call the night Trayvon Martin was shot.
Of Zimmerman’s reports prior to the shooting, they are typical, normal, routine and not unusual in any way. A few of the calls (i.e. reporting a pothole or garbage in the road) would have been more appropriate for another department but such calls are made to 9-1-1 or the NEN on a routine basis everyday by the public and even by the police.
I hope someone can clarify this for me. I am not watching the testimony but read an update about what is going on today.
Martin’s mother and brother testified that they recognized Martin’s voice screaming on the 911 call. The prosecutor’s expert witness had testified that close acquaintances are better able to recognize voices. But he also testified that when trying to identify a voice on a recording that it should be done individually and that having a group listen at the same time can taint the identification. Martin’s family first listened to the recording as a group. Is that accurate?
Yes. Also, Martin’s brother is on record not being sure it was Martin’s voice. Of course he’s sure now… But not a couple of weeks after he was called on to identify the screams at the police facilities. And that “I was shocked and in denial” may work when it is immediate. But not a couple of weeks after.
Prosecution also didn’t call Tracy to be a “whose voice was it” witness. Pretty obvious why.
This.
Why do you still doubt this? It strikes me as naive. We’ve seen this before with the Duke “rape” case. Prosecutors are not immune to political pressure and can and do abuse their authority while completely ignoring justice.
The reason you’re having a hard time is that you’re assigning some truthfulness to Zimmerman’s claim that one person was on top of the other. But we’re working with a pathological liar here. You know it. I know it. So we have to look at what the other evidence says.
At least one of the witnesses said they saw the shooter and the victim in an upright position when the bullet went off. (It may have been 2 witnesses, not 100% sure.)
All the witnesses locate the final seconds of the fight well within the grassy area.
The bullet trajectory was a straight front-to-back. No angle. You typically see this angle when the victim and shooter are facing each other. Not with one person leaning over the other.
The back of Zimmerman’s jacket had some of Martin’s blood on it. If GZ was prone when he shot him, can someone tell me how the kid’s blood wound up on his back? (A particle of lead from GZ’s bullet was also found on his upper back right sleeve and no where else.)
If Martin was facing east while on top of Zimmerman when he was shot, there is no plausible way that he would have landed face down where he did. For a facedown position, the kid’s head should have been oriented towards the sidewalk. Based on Zimmerman’s story, the kid should have landed on his back, because he reared backwards after the gunshot.
Evidence that Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he pulled the trigger is limited to Zimmerman’s story. It is not corroborated by the forensics or ballistics, and its not corroborated by the witnesses.
I’m very sorry that you used your black friends as a basis for coming up with your biased interpretation of what ails the African-American community. I would say 70% of my close friends are white, many of them do stupid stuff, can I now extrapolate that behavior to every white person? The answer, of course, is no. White privilege is a good thing, I tell you.
The frequency isn’t a problem, but calling the police because your roommate brought someone you didn’t like or calling the cops because you your landlord wants his/her rent is abusing the system. Zimmerman was entitled.
I am sure your basis for your opinion is your extensive experience with homicides and gun shot wounds.
The Medical Examiner just testified. When asked, he said he had no information on how the two were positioned at the time of the shot and zero opinion on it.
Defense is bringing in the US foremost expert on gun shot wounds later. He will probably have an opinion.
Do I get to use the rolleyes smiley and insist that your “close, white” friends are whatever country/western artist you happen to be listening to currently? Or was that strategy only appropriate for you?
I guess I’m just covering my white guilt, huh? And there’s absolutely no reason why programs like this exist: http://www.100blackmen.org/mentoring.aspx
The purpose of the Collegiate 100 is to implement the mentoring and tutoring programs of 100 Black Men. The participants assist the parent organization with the development of the social, emotional, educational, and physical needs of youth who have few or no positive role models in the communities in which they live.
And if my biased interpretation is wrong, feel free to give us the names of Trayvon’s positive role models. Don’t worry. I’ll wait.
The M.E. that did the autopsy ‘has no memory of doing the autopsy. Zero’.
Sheesh.
The ME refuses to testify about how long it took to get the body from the scene to him. According to recorded info it is more than 3 hours (with hands not bagged, so if there was blood it could have easily washed off). Bao (the ME) refuses to confirm, even though it is in the notes. Afraid that if the notes are wrong he’d be committing perjury. Is this his first time on the stand ever?
But the body was covered up, and Martin’s hands were under the body. No trace of blood at all is a bit odd…
But in any event - man, how in the world can the State end up with even the autopsy witness being a complete and utter disaster? Are they -trying- to lose this case? How in the world can they put the guy on the stand when they know he’s going to testify that he has ‘zero memory’ of the autopsy? Jesus, and now he’s rambling on about ‘nobody can remember anything from 2 years ago, might be false memory’ etc.
Rambling on and on - reading from materials that he ‘doesn’t want to show’. God what a disaster.
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unusual about such calls. Nothing. Such calls are normal and processed every day from a broad spectrum of the public. These calls are not abusing the system.
I deal with callers who are abusing the system all the time. The woman who said to send police to arrest her ex-boyfriend for drug dealing in progress and claimed to be standing across the road from him watching him but could not describe his clothing - she was abusing the system. I know because the whole area is monitored by CCTV and NO ONE WAS THERE.
The lady who called to file a theft report and demand the arrest of someone at the local cable company because her cable tv went out in a storm - she was abusing the system.
The guy who walks out of the Emergency Room and then calls for an ambulance because he is tired of waiting and thinks this will get him seen faster by the doctor - he was abusing the system.
The kid who reported a car accident that knocked over a gas pump and started a fire - he was abusing the system because it simply did not happen. Total hoax call.
The callers who call 9-1-1 because “it’s not really and emergency but I don’t have any credit on my phone” and then proceed to ask 9-1-1 to relay totally non-emergency messages (please call call my wife/husband/relative and tell them to buy bread and milk on the way home) - they are abusing the system.
Zimmerman was not abusing the system. Not even close.
Landlord-Tenant disputes bring an elevated chance of turning violent. Usually the issue comes down to money. Sometimes one party does something that is not permitted by law in an effort to compel some action on the part of the other party. Zimmerman called when a landlord attempted to seize his vehicle to compel payment of rent. That is unlawful on the part of the landlord in my jurisdiction and probably is in Florida. I would encourage someone faced with such an issue to call for assistance rather than letting the issue escalate.
Any sort of domestic dispute, even if the parties are only roommates and not in a romantic relationship, has a higher potential for turning violent. As much as I encourage persons involved in such disputes to hold their tongue, the caller does not have control over the actions of the other party. If the situation cannot be diffused then it is better to caller for assistance than to let the matter escalate.
Yep, yep. I’ll cede my white privilege to Presidential privilege:
There. Now we can be friends again.
ETA:
Under the body but against the wet grass that DeeDee heard over the phone.
:rolleyes: Gee, maybe his mom? His dad? his family? How the hell am I supposed to know his positive role models by name? Who were Dr. Kevorkian’s positive role models? Who were Jeffrey Dahmer’s positive role models? Who were Dr. Kaczynski’s positive role models? Who were Ted Bundy’s positive role models? Who were Bernie Madoff’s positive role models? Stupid question.
You may want to leave the last bit to the real comedians, as it’s much funnier when Mr. Williams does it.
Do you have a cite on that? I didn’t know this. Thanks.
Why is the M.E. so unfamiliar with the procedures and rules for testifying? He’s supposed to be an expert witness. He’s supposed to give yes/no answers. Not narrative answers. He keeps giving rambling answers. He keeps talking over the attorneys. He doesn’t even shut up when the judge talks.
Hasn’t this guy testified hundreds of times before? 
He’s the ME who performed the autopsy. Do you really think they would have been able to argue their case without putting on him on the stand? We are dealing with the real world here. And in the real world, sometimes you get unpredictable personalities.
