State supervised visitation?

The BBQ Pit
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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/news/oregonian/lc_62westo13.frame

This thread might get moved. Mods, that’s OK with me. I’m starting it in the pit because I’m sure it will inspire some colorful language.

There are several problems here:

  1. They let this woman visit her Child after she threatened to kill her?
  2. It was state supervised visitation, but the state employee supposedly supervising let the “mother” out of his sight long enough to strangle her child, then leave the park.

WTF is going on here? This begs for court-ordered sterilization. She had all 3 of her children removed from her custody, she threatened to kill herself and the one child before they removed her from the"mother"'s custody. Then the State of Oregon allowed her visitation with said child.
So who’s to blame here, the “mother”? (It really bugs me to call someone who murders her own child a mother).
Is the state employee who let the woman and child out of his sight too long to blame?
Is the State of Oregon to blame?
I say the “mother”, she’s the one who committed the henious crime, but some responsibility should go to the Gov’mint worker who couldn’t get off his lazy ass to do his fucking job.

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Well, it was foremost the mother’s responsibility to protect the child, which she obviously failed at in the most horrible possible way. Once it was obvious this woman couldn’t be trusted with her kids, it was the State’s responsibility to protect them. Which they, also, failed at. This woman should never have been allowed to have contact with the kid. I think there’s plenty of guilt to go around, here.

I’m not sure what idea is more horrible: court-ordered sterilization or the possibility that this woman might have another kid.

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having state supervisied visits with my mother in ca they normally let ya go a few hundred feet from them if ya lucky and there generally unpleasant becuase they write down everything they hear …

the worker should be in jail for cirminial neglience and the mother should get the chair if they have it

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having state supervisied visits with my mother in ca they normally let ya go a few hundred feet from them if ya lucky and there generally unpleasant becuase they write down everything they hear …

the worker should be in jail for cirminial neglience and the mother should get the chair if they have it

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It pisses me off to no end that what you would get jail time for if you did it to a stranger, you can do to family without repercussion.

I was sitting in on a court session once and a father accused of molesting his 13 year old daughter was applying to have unsupervised visitation with her. (Btw, all I know of the situation is what I heard in court that day.)

The child’s social worker was there, as was the protection agency lawyer, both arguing that it would be harmful for the girl, and that the child absolutely did not want to see him.

The judge granted his request and reamed out the lawyer for the protection agency because the father had yet to be convicted and it was ‘unfair’ to deny him his right based on allegations. Nevermind the daughter wanted nothing to do with him, and at 13 (or any age as far as I’m concerned) should have had her wishes respected. Could you imagine a court ordering you to regularly spend time with a stranger who sexually assaulted you? Same shit, 'cept this girl knew the man who assaulted her. What kind of message did that girl receive? That what her father did to her was okay.

Another example involves adults, but is still applicable. I know a woman who was harassed and stalked by her ex for years. She had a restraining order, but it was useless because every time something happened the police told her there wasn’t enough evidence to charge him. One officer had the nerve to tell her that her ex was only doing it (trying to kill her) because he loves her. Gee, so try to have some sympathy for the poor guy, right?

This is just one example of many cases where victims get screwed, and it’s sick.

It is amazing how little consequence there is in harassing, assaulting, and molesting someone you know, particularly a spouse or child. Even repeat offenders get off lightly. Predators know the system isn’t going to interfere.

Back to the specific issue at hand: children. I believe children’s needs and rights come first. Fuck parental rights if said parent is abusive. Children are not property, why they are treated as such baffles me.

That isn’t to say that I don’t believe in a fair and thorough investigation of any accusations. I do, absolutely.

Children are basically born as clean slates, and their childhood years are going to form who they are as adults. This period is crucial. I could not fathom being the person responsible (as the parent, a social worker, a judge) for destroying somebody’s mind, or being the person responsible for a child’s handicaps (due to brain damage, etc) or murder!

Ugh, okay, that’s my rant. :slight_smile:

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I don’t get it, either. First, why was any sort of visitation allowed? She’s insane; she’s threatened her child – seems like a no-brainer: she should not be allowed any contact with the child. Second, what kind of “state supervised” visitation is it when the guy who is supposed to be supervising doesn’t keep them in sight at all times? When he lets them get out of his sight for an extended period of time?

Why can’t the best interest of the child be the first prioity? Better yet, the only priority. Not “keeping the family together,” not “getting the family back together,” but the best interest of the child, and to hell with any other consideration.

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This sickens me. So many questions. Why would the state allow this? Why why why??? Do we have no respect for the rights of children anymore? “It’s okay for this woman to see the child she wants to kill, because, well, she’s the mother and mother always knows best”?. I…this is horrible. Why do I feel so helpless here? I feel like we just can’t stop this kind of abuse of the legal system.

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AFAIK, it’s largely due to an irrationally strong objection to breaking up families. The authorities in these cases apparently don’t realize that family isn’t all about DNA, but who you care about. The murderer in the OP clearly didn’t care about her child one bit.