Station Idnetification

A friend of mine and I have always been puzzled by “station identification”:
a) What’s the origin of “on the hour id?”
b) Is it really necessary today? I mean, stations love to boast their call letters/frequency and many TV stations leave it up the corner…very annoying to me!
c) Considering all the radio and TV stations around, over 24 hours, it seems virtually impossible to monitor all stations at all times. How does the FCC handle the practicality of enforcing this?
d) How many minutes “leeway” is granted for missing the hour? (Many stations under-run or over-run the hour now and then.)

Any insight would be appreciated!

“They’re coming to take me away ha-ha, ho-ho, hee-hee, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time… :)” - Napoleon IV

Maybe someone else can speak to the origin, but it is an FCC reg.

Don’t know what may have changed in the last couple of decades, but in my college radio days, the ID had to be done within five minutes of the top the hour, as close as practicable to it.

As for stations “boasting their call letters/frequency” all the time, that’s true, but it’s usually some variation of the call letters or whatever nickname they use, and not the official call letters and exact frequency – for example, to use another college radio example, Album 88, the Georgia State U. station, is officially WRAS 88.5.

Most FCC regulations are enforced the way laws against burglarly are enforced – wait for someone to complain, then investigate. Despite any number of flagrant violations of various laws and FCC regulations, the only time our college station got in hot water was the year before I got there, when someone decided to offer hits of acid for sale over the air. Despite being only a 10-watt station whose signal barely covered our own fairly small campus, someone did hear it and report it to the FCC. I doubt that anyone, with the possible exception of a competing station in the same market, would bother reporting a failure to broadcast an ID.

a) it’s a nice time that the station is required to broadcast it.
b) it helps control the pirates. no pirate has legal call letters. plus, if i were to listen to a station i like on travel (and i have done this) i make sure i’m listening at the top of the hour (or thereabouts…more to come) to hear the call letters and the city where it’s licensed. fun to know, especially listening to am stations. this is how i know that in illinois, i have heard stations from new york, colorado, florida, new orleans, and everywhere in between.
c) it’s virtually impossible for the fcc to enforce this.
d) 10 minutes, either side of the hour, from :50 to :10 after. if you listen to most news stations, and most (as far as i know, all) public radio stations, the ID comes within 2 minutes of the top of the hour. the national newscasts come in exactly at the top of the clock, according to the naval observatory.

FYI IDs consist of 1) call letters and 2) city of license. legally, that’s all they have to be. you can include the frequency inbetween, and maybe a “news/talk” or “hits” or something short like that. and that’s it.

many stations don’t say their call letters except at the top of the hour.

actually, i’d like to ammend point b. ids are like license plates. if you pay your tax, you get an identifing mark. the ids serve to say, hey, we’re a fully licensed radio station. it’s almost as cool as the announcement that every radio station and tv station (usually when they sign on or off, but can be anytime) makes once a day that gives the owner of the station, power, any translators, antenna, etc…

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

Nothing much new after those previous posts, but here’re the FCC’s own words:
“Station Identification. Stations must make identification announcements when they sign on and off for the day. They must also make the announcements hourly, as close to the hour as possible, at a natural programming break. TV stations may make these announcements on- screen or by voice only. Official station identification includes the station’s call letters followed by the ommunity or communities specified in its icense as the station’s location. Between the call letters and its community, the station may insert the name of the licensee, the station’s channel number, and/or its frequency. However, we do not allow any other insertion.”

On the note of policing:
While monitoring a radio mobile telephone (in the days before cellular) I overheard someone using one from on board a ship. Strictly a no-no. Someone claiming to be FCC came on the freq and demanded the transgressor’s call sign. After that, total silence from both sides. It’s the only time I’ve actually heard of unsolicited FCC enforcement, and it might not even have been real.

OUCH!

Having proxy problems, and had no idea all my apparently failed attempts to post had worked. :eek:


Sure, I’m all for moderation – as long as it’s not excessive.

When I worked for a PBS station, we were told to place a station ID within 5 minutes of the hour. Actually, we were supposed to do it on the hour, but occassionally we’d be playing a PSA or an EBS test or something else that didn’t go well with the ID - in which case we waited until it was over or else timed it to be done right before.

As for stations that leave a “watermark” style ID on 24/7, I’m assuming that it more in order to
(A) Brand the program as property of the TV station in case you decide to tape it, and
(B) Keep the station in your mind as you watch Friends.

We never did the watermark thing, but then again our text-on-screen machine looked like it was cobbled together from a Commodore Vic-20 and an adding machine so I doubt it was capable. Ten seconds per hour out of that machine was annoying enough.


“I guess one person can make a difference, although most of the time they probably shouldn’t.”

Since the beginning of radio broadcasting in the 1920s, U.S. radio and TV broadcast stations have had to announce their call signs and communities of licence at reqular intervals. Originally it was required every 15 minutes, then each half hour, finally, since around the early 1980s, once-an-hour on the hour. This was more important in the early years, because radio stations had trouble staying on frequency. But even today it can be helpful in tracking down transmitter problems, as a spurious signal might be heard up to hundreds of kilometers away, on a frequency far removed from the station’s normal one. The United States is one of the few countries which still requires that broadcast stations announce their call signs. Most other countries, even if they bother to assign call signs to their broadcasting stations, allow them to identify themselves through slogans or network IDs, which often are officially registered.

The main requirement for the hourly “legal ID”, as it is usually known, is that it consist of the station’s call sign followed by its community of licence. It is supposed to be transmitted “hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in program offerings. Television broadcast stations may make these announcements visually or aurally.” (For a fuller review of the standards, see: Legal Identification.) Informally, “near the hour” has usually been interpreted as +/- five minutes, although many stations are a lot more lax than that.

The Federal Communications Commission has traditionally tried to distribute radio and TV station licences to as many communities as possible. So, one of the reasons for keeping the legal ID announcements is that, at least once an hour, the station tells its audience where it is located, presumably strenghening its ties to that community. One problem is that most suburban radio and TV stations want you to think they are actually located in “the big city”. Thus, the station that begged and pleaded with the FCC for the privilege to own “Podunk’s own radio station”, immediately goes to great lengths to give everyone the impression that the station is actually licenced to nearby “Metropolis”. (Stations used to have to have local studios and provide local program services to their communities of licence, but these requirements have been almost completely eliminated in the last decade. In some cases it is now quite possible for announcers to never actually set foot in their station’s community of licence).

Also, some stations have found that “all the good call signs are taken”, and they couldn’t get the call sign they really wanted. The FCC allows stations to use slogans–which can look like call signs–and also mention additional cities as many times as they wish. So, for example, WPBG, licenced to Podunk, can proclaim itself to be WBIG Metropolis hundreds of times per hour, even at the top of the hour, as long as once an hour they utter their legal ID of “WPBG Podunk”.

Stations often go to great lengths to make it as hard as possible for you to determine what their actual call and station location is. For radio stations, the most common trick is to run about 10 commercials in a row at about 10 minutes before the hour, quietly inserting a quick, <font size="-1" color=gray>“wpbg podunk”</font> between, say, commercials 6 and 7. (I’ve also heard cases where loud sound effects, odd cadences, and audio clipping make the legal ID virtually impossible to understand, even if you are listening for it.) Then, at the top of the hour, the station announces with appropriate fanfare to its audience that they are listening to The mighty WBIG METROPOLIS, and although this may sound like the legal ID, in this case WBIG technically is the station’s slogan, and Metropolis a town that they are fond of.

I once saw a post in rec.radio.broadcasting which said that one station had used the following type of announcement at the top of the hour to hide their actual community of licence: “You’re listening to WZZZ Metropolis. If you see news happening, call our news desk at 555-WZZZ, Podunk listeners, call 555-1234”. In the preceding, the very-easy-to-miss legal ID was WZZZ, Podunk. Also, there is a local TV station which has a horizonally-scrolling visual graphic, so that embeded in the following: “RALEIGH DURHAM FAYETTEVILE WNCN GOLDSBORO RALEIGH DURHAM etc.” is the legal ID of “WNCN Goldsboro”. Other TV stations use font sizes that can be seen only on jumbo screens, or display the ID in a corner of the picture when they think no one is watching.

The station ID requirements are rarely enforced by the FCC. Often, only if a station is in trouble for some other reason will FCC fine them for not complying with the regulations.

Side note: It’s Napoleon XIV.

Hmm… I’m going to have to question one thing about the above. Not so much because I think you’re wrong, but because there’s an inconsistancy with what occured where I was working.

The station ID we played at the top of the hour was a simple “WEIU” in the lower right hand corner of the screen. We’d do a fade in, let it sit for 10 seconds, then fade it back out. As I said above, it generally wasn’t at XX:00, but rather at XX:00:30 or something so it didn’t play over PSAs, Community Announcements and all the other filler crap PBS stations toss in between programs.

Anyway, if we had a program end at say, 15:58:20, we’d toss in a little thing called a “flipper” which was a bunch of program snippets, sans audio, played with a musical backdrop and saying thing like…
Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood
Weekdays 9:00am & 2:00pm

Little House on the Prairie
Weekdays 7:00pm

World of Model Trains
Saturdays 8:00pm

So on and so forth. Also in this was the “WEIU - Charleston, Illinois” message that would seem to fulfill what you stated above regarding the necessary compents of an ID.

But if we were showing, say, The Civil War Part IIX, we never broke into it for a flipper. Mainloy because it was PBS so we just ran a program straight through even if it took us 2 hours to do it. In these cases, we’d just do the text-on-screen ID of “WEIU”.

Was this correct? Is there leeway given for different situations? To be honest, I mainly just did what they told me to do without worrying about the FCC. Well, I had an idea of what the FCC wanted, but I assumed the Chief Engineer knew what we could and couldn’t do. But I know we’re not the only PBS station to play a 2 hour program without interruption or extended ID.


“I guess one person can make a difference, although most of the time they probably shouldn’t.”

You’re redundant and yet so repetitive!!! :wink:


“They’re coming to take me away ha-ha, ho-ho, hee-hee, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time… :)” - Napoleon IV

Jophiel stated: In these cases, we’d just do the text-on-screen ID of “WEIU”. Was this correct? No, because the ID didn’t include the community of licence. (By the way, the name of the state isn’t required for the legal ID). Is there leeway given for different situations? No. Well, thermonuclear war. Maybe. To be honest, I mainly just did what they told me to do without worrying about the FCC. “Just following orders”, ehh? Well, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”. Maybe if the judge is lenient you will all be assigned to the same cell block…

i know the public radio station here runs that gawd awful Prairie Home Companion, and Garrison takes his breaks whenever he damn well pleases. so there are exceptions, namely, you don’t interrupt normal programming. but you best run the station id the soonest chance you get. also works for long movements in classiscal music, and one other NPR or PRI show that i can’t think for right off hand.

Back in the mid-60’s, when I started in radio, local stations took great pride in hitting the station ID dead on the hour. We were constantly checking to make sure the second hand was aligned with the naval observatory time. And when we signed with a network whose newscast was at the top of the hour, we had to be even more careful or sound like a doofus, with dead air, or overlap.
(digression)In those ancient days of turntables and actual (gasp) vinyl records, jocks would “backtime”, checking the record length and filling with open mike stuff - news teasers, weather, promos, so that we could start, say a 2:45 record at 2:50 before the hour, have the song end, do the legal ID and pot up the network news. Jocks looking for work in the trade magazines would brag about their “tight board” since most smalltown djs were their own engineers, meaning that there were neither gaps nor overlaps in their presentations. (End of digression)

There were some exceptions to the “on the hour” rule. IIRC, if you were carrying a live remote broadcast of a ballgame or other even, you were allowed, as an alternative, to ID at :15 or :45, but they still didn’t want you going longer than an hour without identifying your call letters and city of license.

Hope that helps

Hometownboy


Never call a man a fool; borrow from him. —Addison Mizner

I can’t believe how old this thread makes me feel. As pointed out a long time ago say 1987 stations didn’t put their logos in the corners.

At one time there was concern with Cable all the stations would be on differnet channels so it was emphasized to call yourself WBBM news NOT NewsCenter2. Then it went the other way. With the abundance of look a like cable companies the stations wanted you to know you were watching CBS or whatever. So WBBM News was now CBS2News
BTW stations are free to add on up to two adjascent(Sp??) cities to their city of broadcast. However the actual city of licence must come first.

In Chicago we have

50 WPWR Gary(IN) / Chicago
66 WGBO Joliet / Chicago
62 WJYS Hammond (IN) / Chicago

So for those of you in “Twin Cities” whatever city is first is the actual city of licence. KSTP Channel 5 St Paul / Minneapolis…