How do you feel about a reality TV star with no political experience becoming our President?
Yes, good point I think I stand corrected.
I might actually agree with you if Hamilton weren’t explicitly about American politics.
I don’t really care whether celebrities express their political opinions or not. It’s clear from how someone speaks and presents information whether or not they are credible. So if they offer a thoughtful contribution I’ll listen, if they sound like idiots I will ignore their uninformed ranting. Pretty much how I deal with people in general.
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I aspire to your lofty ideal, but the flesh is weak.
I’m sorry but I must be a bit dense right now. I don’t understand your post at all. I wasn’t defending Pence or supporting him. I just said that the incident made me think about how people in some professions use their position to get their opinions across to a large group of people and I am a person who isn’t interested in hearing an actor tell me who I should vote for. Now if he stars in a movie I’m interested in then I’m good with that. As to my partisan views not sure where that comment is coming from, but do you read these boards? My partisan views are tame compared to many views expressed here.
The part that I quoted.
I’m completely amused by all the people who are so *offended *that actors in a play might have political concerns and want to express them- there’s such an undercurrent of “shut up and just do your job, peasant”.
Plays are inherently social- if Pence (or Trump) don’t want to deal with the public, maybe they should just stay home and watch TV. Or maybe not even fun for office.
Just ignore their opinions then. I don’t see what the problem is. Unless they are lying about their background to make their opinions seem more credible.
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IMHO, actors make their living by pretending to be someone else. The sincerity they bring to their roles is paramount in convincing their audience to buy whatever words the actors may be reciting. Once they’ve learned to fake sincerity, they have it made in the land of make-believe.
While the cast of this specific make-believe effort (Hamilton) are entitled to their own opinions, they chose a poor place from which to make their speech. I don’t buy tickets for plays, or attend plays, to hear actors/make-believe specialists spout their own words during, or after, the play. They should just recite the words the writers wrote and let me leave the theater deeply enmeshed in the play I paid to see.
The actors could have invited the VP backstage to voice their personal concerns, instead of foisting them onto the audience. Fuck the actors of the cast of Hamilton for ruining the paid for and expected experience of the audience. I would demand a refund.
Yes, no political experience, but experience putting teams together and getting things done which I think is part of the reason he won. Also, from what I hear and read, he seemed to touch on issues like jobs, healthcare for instance that many Americans are very concerned about. So, he wasn’t always just mouthing off, he actually touched a nerve with some voters and people want to know their concerns are being heard.
Either you don’t know what actually happened or you have nothing to complain about in this case.
How’s that partisan he did win. If Hillary had won and the incident had happened with her vp or Pence I would still feel the same way.
Okay, well I admit it’s really more of an ideal than anything else. Though I think I’m getting better.
I guess I’m just thinking, if you really believe in your heart that a certain viewpoint will make for a better world, I can’t hold it against anyone for using whatever platform they have for expressing that viewpoint. Some of our best entertainers are profoundly political.
And expecting entertainers to shut up about anything is just a fool’s errand.
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Fuck the actors of the cast of Hamilton for ruining the paid for and expected experience of the audience. I would demand a refund.
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Do you think it’s reasonable for anyone to attend that show and not expect shit to get political? That musical is an SJW rallying cry and anyone surprised by a brief, polite political statement written by the notoriously outspoken director should probably do their research before going to see the show. The idea that such a diplomatically worded statement, at the end of the musical, during a curtain call, could completely ruin one’s experience is absurd.
Just so we’re clear onwhat was actually said:
For all the people crying about how our culture is overly sensitive to criticism, to get worked up about something so benign seems hypocritical.
FWIW, Pence has stated he wasn’t offended at all. But let’s all get outraged on his behalf, by all means.
Which is true for most successful celebrities, including the cast of Hamilton.
Actually, I don’t think Pence had a problem with it.
That might actually be a good rejoinder except the show, while nominally about the history of politics, is still a show people come to see expecting a show, not a lecture about today’s politics. It’s not even a matter of any political inference that can be drawn from the show. It’s an extraneous political lecture.
I’m simply expressing an opinion, which is that I don’t feel it’s productive to spread politics into everything and have to listen to political messages and lectures while attending any and every public event. The contrary opinion would be ‘no to me it’s fine, make every public event political’. But the fact that this musical happens to be about long past politics is not actually a rational point, IMHO, somehow undercutting my point. It’s basically irrelevant.
And while one can’t prove counter factuals, I’m quite convinced more left leaning people would feel as I do if the intrusion of politics into entertainment and sports was dominated by actors/athletes expressing right wing views.
Nobody fought with Joe Biden. He wasn’t even there.
Hahahaha. IMHO, you must be a Democrat.
The cast made a speech to the VP while the audience was still present. The cast of Hamilton was still playing to the audience. I have no problem if the cast passes along their personal comments backstage, or anywhere other than post-play on stage.
If these asshole cast members chose to degrade my personal, play-viewing experience, then I’m demanding my money back. Fuck the cast members for ruining the experience for me. Assholes!
Even as you’ve grabbed your coat and are heading to the exit?