Straight Dope - The Defender of Free Speech?

Or just another racist?

In a thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=154113
I have changed the noun “nigger’ to ‘Jew”.

The guy who tried to explain that we should not use this kind of word; ‘nigger’… or whatever racist expressions, furthermore that the whole text is racist and so on, got banned.

The original writer did not get banned, and personally I think we should be very ‘light’ with this banning tool. We are all defenders of free speech, are we not?

Anyhow I changed the “nigger’-word to the “Jew’-word.
Now, my question is: “Who should get banned?” Should anyone?
The original texts You can read here underneath. Here I put my “Jewish-version”. Personally I think it is very racistic.

Scylla
Member
Registered: Jan 2000
Location: Ancient Greece
Posts: 7502
Apology for a bigot

So,one poster, sparticus was against this racism.
He got banned.
In the thread that begins like this, some members explain why:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154343

friedo
Member
Registered: May 2000
Location: New York City, NY, USA
Posts: 3918 I am Ignoramus! Err, I mean Sparticus!
I am Sparticus
,

Your actions in are beyond reprehensible.

Not only have you deliberately posted a vicious attack on Scylla’s character in a completely innapropriate place, you did so in a particularly tactless manner; polluting an interesting and obviously very personal thread with your vitriol for no good reason. Then, in an act of seemingly infinite stupidity, you did it again.

I’m not sure exactly how you read Scylla’s OP; but I am convinced you are in a small minority of people who see it as an attempt to “justify” racism. It is quite obviously nothing of the sort, and Scylla’s treatment of his grandfather’s character is far more complex and subtle than I think you could possibly understand.

I think it’s quite obvious who the real bigot is here.

Scylla sure isn’t a perfect individual, but he has a sense of intraspection which people like you, who are only capable of one-dimensional conceptions of character, will never achieve.

RickJay
Member
Registered: Jun 2000
Location:
Posts: 3601


The thread continues. Go there and learn something?
My comment:
Yes, You read the thruth: sparticus got banned!

Are we all racists?
Yes we are!
But we can be educated, and that is why this forum exists!

He got banned because he posted his complaint in the wrong forum. He was warned by a Mod to take it to the Pit. Instead he defiantly said “Ban Me” but I won’t do you what say. Seems straightforward why he got banned to me.

I think you missed the point of Scylla’s OP. He’s written it the way his grandfather talked, not the way he talked. I don’t think anyone would disagree that it is not a proper way to talk. Of course that word is racist. (Although “Jew” is not an offensive word, they aren’t analogous at all.)

No. I am not a racist. I do not believe that I am better than anyone else because of the color of my skin, or because of where my ancestors lived. I don’t appreciate you impugning my character.

So, why did not the Mod just put the whole shit in another forum?

Why didn’t Sparticus follow the rules in the first place? Why did he repost his offending post in its entirety in response to a mod telling him to knock it off and that he knows better, or tell the mods to go ahead and ban him if they must?

This wasn’t the first time he’s acted like a jerk on this board. Check out the other Pit thread on this topic.

Because Scylla’s post about his grandfather wasn’t the type of thread that belongs in the Pit. I Am Sparticus chose, in his response, to write something that should have been in the Pit, and then, when he was told that, instead of apologizing, and, if he chose, starting a new thread in the Pit, wrote another response more suited for the Pit. As Scylla’s original thread, and the comments of most of the replies were suited for the forum it was in, it wouldn’t make sense to move it.

Actually, I thought this board was about fighting ignorance, not protecting free speech.

Sparticus was being a jerk, pure and simple.

Instead of appologizing, and starting a thread in the appropriate place, he acted like an asshole.

Vocal assholishness may be a protected right in the USA, but it’s certainly not protected on the SDMB, praise Jesus, halleluja.

Somewhat related…

Be very careful when changing the wording of a post and attributing it to the original author (as it seems you did). Read about it here under the post titled misquoting.

Henry, I think both you and Sparticus are guilty of not comprehending that post from Scylla. You can replace the word with any you see fit, the message remains, and you have completely missed it.

Explain exactly why you felt it necessary to do this.

No. Please show me where the SDMB mission statement says that its goal is free speech.

It doesn’t. And thank God there is not free, unrestricted speech here, too. IMO.

No. Speak for yourself.

So it’s the Moderator’s fault now that the person who broke the Rules was an enormous asshole? How’d that happen?

And, as far as I can tell, your “parody” of Scylla is not nearly meeting the past warnings and admonitions with respect to misattributing quotes. In fact, I can’t see why you would have done this except to goad the Staff into banning you.

Henry: Hie ye (one guess why I used that expression) to the local vendor (or that one) of videos and enquire if they have available for hire the show in which Bill Cosby did the very same thing that Scylla did in that posting which you evidently fail to understand. The point of it is that it’s a lesson. But, then, you wouldn’t understand that either, no doubt.

Kyla
Yes I believe You are not a racist.

It’s just me.
Think that I buy a house in a nice neighbourhood. Then the next house on the left is bought by some niggers/gypsies/Iraqian/American blacs/American white fundamentalists/ brown fundamentalists and the house on my right likevise.

I am not a racist, but to You I can confess, I am a little bit.

alice_in_wonderland tells us that we are assholes. Her ass is white, our holes are brow-black etc.
So? Can these assholes come back? We try to use paper after we have cocentrated our mindless thoughts on Your most beautiful person.
I am here but how about I am Sparticus? We will scream our ‘not so gentle texts’ in The Pit after this. OK? Never cross the line anymore. We will be on our side of the tracks.
We will exchance the word ‘black’ in every phrase to “croked nose” and study if it would be ‘racistic’ at all. Personally I doubt.

How childish to be offended.

But if You, Dear Mod, is not offended, can You just take him/us back?
We will keep us to the Pit. OK? Mostly curse the System and Saddam! Never ever the middle-class and their behaviour, their analfabetism. Never. I promise!
He, Sparticus, never or seldom agreed with me, but he had brains when he answered.
I just miss him.

Please.

Henry, the following is the reason that I A S was banned:

He followed this up with even another post in which he detailed the alleged crimes that he believed Scylla had committed.

More than one poster understood Scylla’s OP in a way different than I believe he meant it. (I believe that you, too, missed the point as your irrelevant substitution of “Jew” for “nigger” seems to demonstrate.)
Only one poster sucked up hours of bandwidth doing searches on the SDMB simply to document his personal view that he did not like Scylla’s philosophy, then reacted to a call to take his tirade to the proper Forum by demanding that he be banned and following up that order with a third improperly posted post.
Placed in the Pit with a link posted in Scylla’s thread, nothing I A S posted regarding Scylla would have gotten him banned.

It looked like a clear case of suicide, to me.

Que?

Because, obviously, everyone who thought Sparticus was a jerk in that thread is a Jewish anti-black racist. :rolleyes:

From all the posts I got in a very short time, I see the most apprpriate question comes from Jackmannii.
It was a positive surprise to me!
I begin to like him and that gives him pimples. :wink:

Yes, I did use the word “Jew”, because it is the most inflamative word at this board!
If the word “Finn” would have been that, I would have used that word.
But now, You saw that I also wanted to use ‘crooked nose’ for the word ‘black’.
So now I show what is my real skin, or how?

Jackmannii, You have seen my posts before: agressive, sarcastic, provocative etc., but I think You know that I am not more racistic than common Joe.
I know we have differences in our thoughts, but never hate. Jokes, verbal jonglurism (I know it is not English but You do understand the word; used at circus), etc.

I just used ‘Jew’ to explain that if some one did be so against Jews, as the guy told in his story (third person naturally), and the second guy (Sparticus) would condemd it, he (Sparticus) would not have been banned in any forum!

That is what I believe.
P.S. Jackmannii I hope You E-mail me some day.
Henry

apotheosis

quote:

Originally posted by Henry B
analfabetism.

Que?
Answer: Touche’!

HenryB:

I don’t understand what the purpose of reproducing my entire post with the words changed is.

I wrote it the way I wrote it on purpose, and though it is an imperfect thing, it is my imperfect thing. I have no problem with you taking short quotes and altering them to demonstrate a purpose as long as you make it clear what you are doing.

I have to confess that I’m unhappy to see an altered version of my entire post reproduced without any apparent purpose.

At any rate, I would sincerely appreciate it if you would email a moderator and ask that you only reproduce a small portion, and link to the original.

I realize I have no rights in this, but I would consider a favor and a courtesy. Thanks.

No, Sweatpea, I said Sparticus was an asshole, and he was. He was ignorant to Coldfire, who was just doing his job. He was ignorant to other posters who were pointing out the inappropriateness of location of his rant. He made a point of being a jerk, in as big a way possible. He dared Coldfire to ban him. All of these things make him an asshole.

Yes, my ass is white - but I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I don’t give a flying rats pitootie if Sparticus was purple - he was being an asshole, who ASKED TO BE BANNED!

I don’t think that means what you think it means.

Oh - did you forget the part where he ASKED TO BE BANNED?!?!.

Yes, you are behaving quite childishly. I’m as offended by racism as the next guy, and perhaps I read Scylla’s post and got a bad taste in my mouth. But guess what? I didn’t start a rant in MPSIMS. I didn’t act like a shit to a moderator, who was just trying to do his job. I just left well enough alone. If I had wanted to rant, I would have done so here. Why, you ask? BECAUSE I AM NOT AN ASSHOLE.

Ya see the difference, Poopsie?

And BTW - If you’re calling me racist, you really need to pull your head out of your ass - you don’t know shit about me, assclown.