This is my “Welcome Me Back, Like It or Not” topic:
I’ve heard for years (from various sources) that the reason men like the idea of lesbian sex is that they (the men) fantasize that these “nymphos” are just so horny that they have to take it out on each other but desperately want a man (the fantasizer) to join in.
Hogwash. This may be true for many (maybe most) men, but not me. And I bet I ain’t alone. I dig lesbian sex in and of itself.
Fact is, lesbians (and women experimenting) have no desire for a man to jump in and spoil the fun. If they wanted to be with a man, they’d be with a man. Like, duh.
For me, the excitement of lesbian sex is the absence of a man. Pure, raw, unadulterated female sexuality.
Women are exquisitely sexual beings. Their erotic potential far outweighs that of most men. Two or more women making love is intensely exciting for its own sake.
To be fair, I’ve seen a few gay male scenes that were pretty hot. But the gals (to me) are way more erotic.
To paraphrase Paul Reiser (and no, I’m not in the habit of quoting Paul Reiser often), the reason we men dig lesbian sex scenes is because we vehemently agree with both of them.
I have a feeling what you like is two stereotypically beautiful women sexing each other up. I doubt very much that you (or most of the str8 men who get off on watching women have sex with each other) would be turned on by, say, watching the heavysey black lesbian and the lesbian with the buzzed haircut and horn-rimmed glasses from the movie Go Fish having sex. Maybe I’m wrong and maybe you really do get off on the female sex-energy regardless of how physically attractive you find the women, but experience tells me otherwise.
And to put in an annoying political note, lesbians don’t exist to have sex for your entertainment. It is disrespectful to lesbians to reduce their sexuality to this level.
Ummm…what’s wrong with having a fantasy? It doesn’t hurt anybody at all. I don’t think it’s anymore disrespectful to lesbians to fantasize about them that it is to fantasize about models, or actresses, or anything else.
Note: I’m simply talking about having a fantasy. People who try to get more active (“Can I watch? heh heh heh”) are a different story.
That being said, I might be one of the only straight guys on the planet who isn’t particulary turned on by lesbian sex. It isn’t repulsive, it just doesn’t do anything for me. < shrugs >
Otto:
Your last statement really baffles me, I don’t see anything disrepectfull in this thread so far. The issue being discussed is a male sexual response; perhaps you should get to know the venerable T-Hip a little better, he’s cool.
Anyhow, back on topic:
As an opened minded heterosexual male, I have noted the phenomenon within myself for years. I’ve also heard several theories about it, none of which really ring true for me. It’s true that I fantasize about joining, but not to the point that they would stop playing with each other. I’ve also heard that in any man/woman scene guys are screening out half the action and that it’s a destraction we don’t have with woman/woman. While this is true also, it doesn’t, at least for me, seem like reason enough to explain the response. Another theory I’ve heard is that we all think we can convert them, the “dikebuster” fantasy. This seems mostly political to me and I scoff at it, certainly none of my lesbian friends ever thought I was trying to convert them.
As far as Otto’s other comment, about the attractiveness of the players, I would agree, but wonder how that differs from any other type of erotica,
Larry
Hugs T*Nhippie, let’s head back to Tennessee Jed.
Now getting to the OP; I’ll admit I like watching lesbians have at it. I guess if I had to give a reason, I’d say that it’s better because, not being of the gay persuasion, I find the presence of men in pornography to be unnecessary and/or distracting.
I just thought I’d pop in and good-naturedly rub all your noses in the fact that I can actually participate in hot and steamy lesbian sex without a man getting in the way.
Nyaah nyaah nyaah!
In all seriousness, though, I don’t claim to have the slightest clue about what makes your average heterosexual male tick, but if my limited experience is any indication, Otto hit the nail on the head. There are lots of lesbians out there that you (“you” referring to the aforementioned average heterosexual male) probably do not want to watch in action. However, the magazines you buy in the plain brown wrappers do not show these women, they show pretty young things going at it. Well, the more reputable ones do, at any rate. If I were to guess, I’d say that one woman in a sexual situation by herself is great, one woman in a sexual situation with someone else is even better, and if that someone else happens to be another woman, better still. But what do I know? Quite frankly, I have no idea what guys (“you guys” still referring to the aforementioned etc.) get out of those pictorials that show great lesbian orgies. All they ever show are four or five sets of genitalia and tangled arms and legs. Anyhow…
Also, I have to agree with Otto’s second point to a certain extent. Having fantasies and looking at pictures and films of lesbian sex (or more accurately, two women trying to look like they are actually lesbians having sex) are one thing, but actual practice is another entirely. If I had a dime for each time that some wanker wanted to watch or join in with me and my girlfriend… Not that I’m saying that anyone here would do this, but it is something that gets real old real fast.
Heck is where you go when you don’t believe in Gosh.
That’s kind of ridiculous… I mean, a lot of people enjoy watching plain old heterosexual sex pornography, and not every heterosexual is aesthetically pleasing, you know!
Gee, people like to see attractive people in pornography. I’m sorry, but this does not seem to be a major revelation to me here.
Also, ther are some very attractive women who are attracted to other women. Some will “put on a show” for a guy - usually a bi-girl with a boyfriend - while others resent the implications of the same.
Whatever - As long as nobody is forcing them (and whom they are consentually sleeping with) upon others who do not wish to deal with it, it’s all good.
Now being a heterosexual Christian male, I would have to say that the reason lesbian sex is so cool to guys is the lack of guys. Let’s say someone let’s call him “Mr. Opha” No that’s too conspicuous, let’s call him “Mr. Nim”. Grabs your average lesbian porno movie for a little “session”. Now Mr Nim, being the standard male, doesn’t wanna see a penis in there smiling at him and disconfirming his sexuality. He says to himself “Goodness, this sweaty sex scene is causing me to equate the penis with sexual glee! I’d better stop this lest I become a homosexual male, something I fear!”
Therefore he goes for the lesbian porno.
Remember this is a JOKE! Meant to inspire laughter, not hatred, and is also an over-exaggeration of the TYPICAL male response. Also, the name of the person in the story was another JOKE and in no way relates to the actual Ophanim, his disciples, his apostles, or his personal cabinet.
Other explanations The Ophanim Consortium could come up with are:
Guys really want to be girls
OR
Guys are ugly
Both of which are oppinions of The Ophanim Consortium, it’s related groups and it’s affilliates.
Ophanim
Not Voted, **Coolest, Dumbest, Happiest, Drunkest, Surliest, Gayest, Most Godly, or anything else! ** Damn you all to HELL!
There was a sketch on Saturday Night Live just a few weeks ago making this very point. It showed a bunch of the male regulars, who were apparently supposed to be frat boys sitting around and drinking. They were talking about how they liked watching lesbian sex in films and wished that they could watch it for real. For some reason (sorry, I wasn’t watching the show very closely) they got their wish granted and got to see some rather ordinary lesbians go through some of the preliminary talking and nuzzling before having sex. They were baffled as to why this was so boring to see compared to the scenes in the movies they had watched.
Ah, having dated a few lesbians [Yes, they just love deaf guys, no, don’t ask me to explain it] I must say this has got to be the most MM-esque stereotypical dumb ideas I have ever read/heard/seen about the lesbian community.
They are about love, warmth, sensitivity, not some raw naked heterosexual male hormone idea of sex. As a matter of fact, this OP seems to be written not by a woman at all. But then, Im open to new ideas if it is.
“Men are like parking spaces, the available ones are handicapped.”
Need I go into the experiment I performed a few years ago, “Straight Friends Watching Gay Porn?”
I knew of an opposite-sex married couple (he was straight, she was bi) who came to me asking if I knew of any lesbians who would be interested in a threesome. Of course, my response was, “Well, if you (meaning the husband) wanted to actually participate, I think you’d better be looking for a bisexual woman, eh?” “Oh, yeah…” was his reply. He’d been conditioned to think lesbian=hot sex, never mind that a lesbian wouldn’t want to have anything to do with him.
My husband is totally enamored of lesbian sex. I have asked him why and the best way he can describe it is, “It’s just…so COOL!” Okay, whatever. I know that part of it is the thought that maybe he’d be asked to join in. I explained the holes in this logic. He understands completely that lesbians have no interest in him. But he has his fantasy. I say, let him have it.
I never hate myself in the morning. I sleep till noon.
–Sig line courtesy of Wally
Something that I know something about. Imagine that.
My boyfriend would dearly love to see me with another woman, and it wouldn’t bother me in the least to have him either watch or participate. He’d like to do both but if he had to choose, it would probably be to watch. We’ve never figured this out (or put it into practice - yet), but the idea just fascinates him to no end.
Which is fine with me, I have exhibitionist tendencies anyway, but it is a mystery. I know I can’t ever watch. The urge to get in on the action is too intense to resist. Maybe all this comes from the way women are conditioned to have to “accept” sex from men, like it’s some sort of duty or something, and lesbian sex demolishes that by showing women enjoying sex without a man in sight.
Otto: I meant no disrespect to anyone.
I like enchiladas, but I don’t think Mexicans “exist” for my enjoyment of them.
I love old Blues. Am I being “disrespectful” to elderly black people because I enjoy that type of music?
Some of you allege that “real” lesbian sex is not so appealing. I beg to differ. I am not at all turned on by the standard porno image of Playboy model types pretending to enjoy each other. So synthetic, kinda sad in fact.
What I’m talking about is the real thing. Women making love to each other. Sure, I find some more attractive than others. We all have our personal tastes.
What “does it” for me is the intensely feminine nature of the act…not whether the persons involved have long fingernails or fishnet stockings.
