Certainly not a worse one.
Yeah it is interesting how many home invaders break in the knives and clubs. Criminals are stupid I guess, and/or background checks that we have actually work reasonably well.
I’ve noticed a trend that anti-gunners are too lazy to look things up. Anyway:
Knowing any of a number of people in a crowd are likely to be carrying concealed is a deterrent. Even you guys who don’t carry get some benefit from it.
You’re welcome. 
[kable mode]I’m glad you admit you’re lying about the intruder.[/kable mode]
And who attacks people with 2x4s? They are too wide to grip effectively with one hand, and unless you customize them they come in random lengths so the sweet spot is in a different place on each one. A person, whether defending or invading a home, is better off with a Louisville Slugger, the finest improvised weapon known to man. And while I will only hit baseballs with a 34" ash bat, I prefer a 30" aluminum bat for indoor use. Sure, it lacks a satisfying “crack” when it strikes a skull, but it’s less likely to break while you are turning someone’s ribcage to splinters.
And to answer my own question: People who attack you with 2x4s are mentally ill or deficient and should be pitied rather than shot. This could’ve been turned into a learning experience, where Kable gently teaches his attacker to, next time, choose the correct weapon. Or use a gun. He’ll be happier either way because he would eliminate the competition and can have Kable’s girlfriend all to himself.
How is that “certain”? You know this for a fact? Have you a YouTube video to prove that, or an affidavit from God Almighty, countersigned by the Archangel Gabriel? You are “certain”, then, that nobody who shouldn’t be carrying a weapon is doing so? Wouldn’t that mean that nobody who ever got a license to carry concealed ever abused the privilege? Ever?
Its a matter of public record that some policemen have abused their power, and people have died for it. As have some soldiers. But ordinary civilians are exempt from such moral corruption?
Perhaps you can explain the logic underlying your broad and definitive statement? Or should we conclude that, once again, you are talking out of your ass and haven’t the slightest idea?
Those of us who favor universal background checks are grateful for your support. You agreement is duly noted.
Stealing from Denis Leary?!:dubious:
Early Thursday morning, gun violence survivors and families of victims finally finished reading the names of all the people who have been killed by guns since the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The list of over 3300 people took 12 hours to read.
Even pro-gun people debate the merits of concealed carry vs. open carry. If I’d said I routinely open carried, would you then have accused me of displaying my firearm like some kind of koteka? There’s just no satisfying some people…
Would you feel better if I happened to be a ex-Navy Seal who knew eight ways to kill someone in seconds with my bare hands?
Thanks for speaking on my behalf. Saves me the effort of expressing my thoughts when you can read them in advance. All the same to you, I’d just as soon go to the trouble.
However, if you did say so, I’d most likely think you were wired too tightly for Minnesota.
Probably. Is that commonly the case among concealed carry civilians?
Minnesota may be the “Mild Mild Midwest” overall, but Minneapolis and Saint Paul have the elevated crime rates you’d expect for large cities and the “bad” areas of each are worse. Here’s the most recent week for my precinct:
Violent Crimes: http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcms1p-106518.pdf
(gee, only one robbery this week at the bus stop five blocks from my house.)
Other Crimes (“mere” burglaries, car thefts, etc.):
http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcms1p-106517.pdf
ETA: maybe this isn’t impressive by South L.A. standards, but I think carrying a firearm is reasonable.
Yeah, c’mon, luci. T’was a time when St Paul was a wide open town and refuge for '20s and '30s gangsters. Me old dad told of a time when a friend of his tried to find his late father’s service revolver because Dillinger and his gang were loading up their cars in the alley below. His mother stopped him because she didn’t like the odds of a 10-yr-old with a .38 versus Johnny D and his buddy with tommy guns. I guys Mom didn’t have Kable to tell her of the advantage the kid had because he was holding the high ground. Me, I think the kid was six years too old because if I’ve learned anything the past couple weeks it’s that you don’t turn your back on a 4-yr-old with a gun.
ETA: But you’re on the other side of the river. Folks in Minneapolis live the Minnesota cliche. Us St Paulers are badassed motherfuckers.
I still think it’s too bad they didn’t name the town Pig’s Eye. How awesome would it be to have a state capital named after a bootlegger?
I thought my point was that just telling them “dont touch” is not enough. I thought I was arguing dor MORE education, not less.
Its sort of like herd immunity. You need a certain concentration of ccwfor the effect to affect global behaviour.
St. Paul, subconscious of the Twin Cities…
OK, so yeah, the mean streets of Minnetonka. All those high tension Hollywood crime movies, with tough guys talking smack while giving each other the lethal eyeball, Sammy Jackson style…
When was the last one you saw that took place in Minnesota? Fargo? Pretty much it, right? And only that because the Coen Brothers are from St. Louis Park.
Nobody knows this place is here. People who want to leave Calilfornia move to Oregon, people who want to leave New York move to Connecticut, people who want to leave Texas move to Austin…
Count your blessings.
This is wonderful news! The sheer presence of concealed weapons affects behavior! Is it some sort of psychic vibration? Are there instruments subtle enough to measure the intensity? Does the affect vary according to the caliber of the weapons?
So, a certain "critical mass’ is needed? Is more of the Ajashi Affect generated by two men with 9mm guns, or four men with .22s?
The KNOWLEDGE of concealed weapons has the effect. The effect does not vary according to caliber because the gun is concealed, they have no idea if you are carrying a S&W 460 or a 22 LR derringer. Of course it is difficult to conceal a 460 unless there is a blizzard.
Everyone has to determine for themselves whether they want to carry or not and frankly I don’t carry because I thnk I’m going to be in a shootout. I carry for the same reason I have a flashlight on my keychain and a lighter in my pocket and a paracord wristband for my watch. I’m just a boyscout. Your welcome.
But it’s the correct education. Minors shouldn’t be handling guns unsupervised, which in many places is the law. You and Kable keep comparing this to sex education, but that’s ridiculous on its face. People are born with sex organs and a compulsive biological drive to use them. You can’t predict when kids will find themselves in a position to have sex, so you need to prepare them early on to have sex in a safe manner, just in case. Many kids won’t need such early education, but it’s been proven to work at reducing teen pregnancies.
No child is born with access to a gun. Adults have complete control over it, and if a child finds an unattended gun, it’s because an adult fucked up. Furthermore, kids might play with pretend guns and shoot people in video games, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t have a natural fear of real guns. Unlike sex, we can cultivate this innate fear, making our “Don’t touch an attended gun” lesson much more likely to stick.
I liken it to my dad’s wood chipper. You’d think that as a small child I would have had a compelling curiosity to pull out the wood chipper and shred some shit. But my dad always kept it tucked away in the corner of the shed when he wasn’t using it, and I was also terrified of losing an arm. Until I was old enough to operate the wood chipper myself, there was no sense in teaching me any rules about its safe operation other than “stay the hell away from it.” Furthermore, for the 95% of my classmates whose parents didn’t own a wood chipper and who would probably never operate one, there was really no sense in teaching them wood chipper safety in, say, a 3rd grade health and safety class. If you’re concerned about young kids and wood chippers, then tell them to stay away from wood chippers. Don’t tell them things like “don’t put any branches in that are over greater than the diameter the wood chipper is rated for,” because it’s pointless and irrelevant.