Another job where they will still have to deal with assholes like you, who demand a free smile, a tootsie roll, and a blow job with every order.
Oh, right. Closing the oven door in an imperfect manner is “taking it out on customers.” Or wait, he also “kinda sorta maybe (somewhere in the multiverse) threw the pizza cutter down.” Never mind that this is the most efficient way to get pizza cutter from point A to table so as to be able to ring customer up, help next customer, etc.
If this is your definition of “taking it out on customers”, grow a-fucking-nother layer or eight of skin.
Note that the worker in question fufilled the goddamn request, in a timely and orderly fashion.
Most people don’t have the option of graduating school and instantly getting some post-secondary education at age 16. Until then, they do still need employment.
All I’m saying is that the kid gave Shane what Shane asked for, maybe not with the most wonderful of attitudes, but it isn’t like he argued about it or got the order wrong or anything. Considering the length of the post, I was expecting to hear about some massive argument with the manager about his constitutional rights to a good pizza slice or something. I wasn’t expecting, “yeah, he gave me my slices and didn’t even say ‘have a nice day’”
I peruse the Pit to gain insight into the human condition, to see what upsets and horrifies my fellow man, to hear about the depths of human depravity and mob rule, this rant just doesn’t cut it.
Shane, perhaps my first post was a bit too nasty, but there must be something out there that bugs you more than a kid giving you a slice of 'tude with your slice of pizza…
Nasty or not, you were right, it was a lame ass rant. Yes, there are things that bug me a lot more then that. The pizza place thing was really only a minor annoyance. I just wanted to post what was on my mind, perhaps it was too small and lame and improper material for the BBQ pit. If that’s the case, my apologies. I’ve been away from the board for a long time. I have to get used to the style here, I guess.
That’s a load of crap. My first job was at a pizza place and of course we got our share of rude customers. I was never ever rude to a customer who wasn’t happy with their order. I don’t care if the boy has a job with few benefits, whether it is low paying, or whether or not he likes it. You shouldn’t be rude to customers. If that little punk has an attitude like that on a regular basis he should be fired.
The closest I saw to “rude” in this whole “rant” was that he was “rude looking”, whatever that means.
Most of it seems to be concerning the fact that he wasn’t bright and chipper enough.
Not happy != Rude
[sub]Frankly, obnoxiously bright and chipper pizza servers scare me; anybody who enjoys–or can fake enjoying–that job is not to be trusted. [/sub]
The kid did his job, didn’t say a word about it, and happened not to be grinning. So fucking what?
Well, what I meant in my OP was more then that. There is that whole body language thing in addition to throwing pizza cutters across the room and slamming oven doors every time he closed them. I go to that pizza place every week, none of the others who work there did those things, in that pizza place or any other one I go to. Also, this kid is new. I can understand someone who has worked there for a long time and was getting burned out, but not from someone who has only been working there for less then a week. Although for all I know he could have had many previous jobs like that and could already be burned out from bad customers. Even so. He stood out from all the other pizza place workers I’ve seen both there and other places, it doesn’t take Fraud to figure out someone is giving you an attitude without it being verbal. Body language is very obvious, and also for the fact that it started after the two pieces of pizza thing. Doesn’t those things sound like dead give away?
It doesn’t really bother me as much I made it sound like in the OP, I just got carried away with my writing. I guess the main thing I was bothered about is the fact that over something small like that he gives an attitude to customers, and to someone who was being polite the whole time. I wasn’t steaming mad or anything, it just felt a little disturbing. I’m sure anyone feels that way when someone unjustly gives you an attitude, right? I never give an attitude back, though. I don’t see any point to showing people an attitude, it doesn’t profit anyone anything.
I’m sorry if that makes me look like a complainer, but I thought it was interesting.
Disregarding whether this guy in this case was rude or not, I’d just like to say that in high school and part of college if worked for five years flipping fish at Long John Silver’s. While it wasn’t the best job in the world, I tried my best to be polite to the customers and comply with any reasonable request. Shane had a right, as he stated, to get the pizza he wanted with his hard-earned cash. If you are not the type of person who can work in a service position, then get another job. It’s just that simple.
Here’s a snip from the newest reality show, working with Myrr21
Qwertyasdfg - You know, Myrr, I am starting to hate my job. I am in front of this fucking pizza oven all day. Customers are asking me to do things all day and the boss is starting to piss me off. The only reason I have this job is because Mom told me to, but I’m thinking of looking for work somewhere else. Do you think I should quit?
Myrr21 - Fuck no! All these jobs are the same. Don’t you waste your time. Let me tell you, you cannot get a job anywhere any better than this. Guarranteed.
Shane Hi. Can I get a piece of Pepperoni pizza and a cheese stick?
Qwertyasdfg - No. We don’t have cheesticks.
customer - Hmmm. Ok. How about 2 pieces of Pizza then.
Qwertyasdfg gets 2 pieces.
Customer - Oh! Excuse me! Excuse me! Can I have 2 without the big bubbles? I don’t like big bubbles.
Qwertyasdfg grimaces. Slams oven, cuts 2 other pieces.
Myrr21 - Well whoop de fuckin do! You don’t like bubbles. Do you want a fucking blowjob and tootsie roll too asshole?
Customer Hey. I just wanted those 2 pieces of Pizza. No need to get snippy about it.
Myrr21 Well too fucking bad. Grow another layer of skin fuckface.
You see Myrr21, you are the one that is a total asshole here. Shane did nothing that made him an asshole… unless wanting a different piece of pizza makes him one in your book. Most people here for some unknown fucking reason starting jumping at him for daring to be upset with a minimum wage worker. Well fuck that. A lot of people here (including you) seem to think that if you work for minimum wage that means you have a license to act like a moron. I’m being called an asshole because I don’t think that’s true.
I dunno. Maybe Pizza guy had a shitty day earlier. Doesn’t matter. It sure sounds like he used some body language to show that he was pissed with Shane and that (in my book) is taking it out on your customer. Whether you make $4 or $20 per/hour THAT is fucking rude and not called for. But, I guess in your world thats OK.
Assclowns like you should be relegated to cutting Pizza in purgatory forever.
And I never called him one, if you care to review. I called you an asshole, for that condescending “I didn’t even fucking read the thread, now go get yourself some education” attitude you pulled.
Do you have the reading comrehension of an albino rabbit? From what was given in the OP (he has since clarified that the kid didn’t “sorta kinda slam the oven”, but did in fact slam the oven [sub]why so wishy-washy in the OP?[/sub]), the only real complaint was that he didn’t seem overjoyed to be there. Hardly acting like a moron.
While I can’t speak for anybody else, I called you an asshole–and continue to maintain that you are one–for your attitude; it’s clearly of a nastier disposition than that of Joe Random the Pizza Worker.
bernse, the kid didn’t say any of those things. To put words into his mouth like that totally misses the point. He didn’t DO anything rude, he just appeared to be rude. There’s a difference.
And, had I been in Shane’s position, you know what? There’d be a good chance I would have considered the actions of the pizza kid to be rude. I would have agreed with Shane! But the difference is that I wouldn’t have posted about it because it wouldn’t have pissed me off enough to bother!
Shane admitted this was a weak assed rant. That’s good, because it was. I don’t disagree with his opinion of what happened, but when you bring the situation onto the board you invite criticism. Here’s mine: he was way way way overreacting to a very minor incident.
I know he didn’t say all those things. It was an embelishment. I don’t think Myrr21 was actually there either. I kind of took for granted that would be obvious. Sorry I didn’t clarify or put a disclaimer first.
Myrr,
I did not say you called him an asshole although what I wrote could easily be inferred as that. If you feel that I put words in your mouth and hurt your feelings, I am sorry. It won’t happen again. As for does slamming the oven door make him a moron? Well, not necessarily in itself. But, from the OP:
Put it together with this. Yeah. I think the pizza kid sounds like a moron.
The reason I am nasty (and hence an asshole in your eyes :rolleyes: ) is that I can’t fucking BELIEVE that most of the people that have posted here think Shane was in the wrong here. I mean, if this was a Doctor, cop, babysitter or even a <gasp> * highly paid waiter *that had an attitude like that I would bet (or at least I’m damn sure) that people nobody would be hammering Shane for giving the worker a hard time. But! Its a minimum wage Pizza worker suffering underneath the Jackboot of free Enterprise! How dare you talk that way about him! He’s just trying to make a buck, you know?
And for those reasons, Myrr, I firmly stand by my belief that you are an asshole too.
Reading this thread has made me kinda hungry. Can I have some of the chips on your shoulder, even sven? I hope they’re the ruffled kind. I really like those.
No, what pisses me off is you keep calling this kid a loser. Why? Because he works for a living? Because he has a shitty job? Because he was hurrying to try and HELP you? Jesus Christ, if that’s a loser, we need more losers like that in the world!
IF he had gotten an attitude, I could see Shane’s point. BUT, he did not-he simply was hurrying to help Shane during lunch rush, and didn’t make sure that the oven door didn’t slam. THAT IS NOT ATTITUDE, PEOPLE!!! THAT is not worth being fired over! I remember once having a very sore throat and not being able to talk above a whisper at work, and some bitch called in and ranted because I didn’t say Have a Nice Day-I shit you not. Um-I COULDN’T TALK LOUD! I smiled and nodded and said as little as I could without being rude!
I remember someone getting pissy because I wouldn’t let her use a coupon that had the expiration date torn off. We had closed the store-she was the last customer-because of a STORM THAT TOOK OUT THE POWER! The registers had ten minutes until they would shut down. We were hurrying to help her and she did nothing but bitch about the bags, the coupons, the prices, etc etc…when we were working in the dark and keying everything in by hand. The roof had CAVED IN in the meat department so bad it was RAINING in there, and other parts of the store as well.
Or the guy who came 10 minutes after 2 on Thanksgiving when we closed at two, and BANGED on the door and shouted at us as we closed up. Hello?
THAT is attitude. What the kid did was shut the oven door and it slammed-I always end up slamming doors, not on purpose. He tossed the cutter aside-I often toss things out of the way while I’m helping people so I can help them as quickly and efficiently as possible.
BTW, everyone always assumes I’m pissed at them, when I’m not, because I just have that kind of face. The expression I usually have looks very depressed or moody, and people say, “What’s wrong? What did I do?” NOTHING! That’s just my face. Maybe that kid just had “one of those faces?”
He was new-maybe you made him nervous? Maybe he was scared? I remember a woman getting nasty with me when I was new and didn’t ring up one of her items that her GRANDSON had in his hand. She wouldn’t pay me for it-she made him do it, then, when I appologized and explained I was new, she went to the service counter and complained THAT THEY HAD NEW PEOPLE WORKING THERE!!!
bernse-it’s not him being upset, but the fact that he imagines all these silly slights, when all the kid did was try and help him, and look TIRED, maybe? Shane wasn’t in the wrong how he treated the kid-he was in the wrong that he called the kid a LOSER?
Have you ever worked retail, bernse? I don’t take it out on the customer, but sometimes, you can tell I’ve had a bad day-I usually look very tired and smile very faintly. I usually do say, “I’m sorry I’m so distracted-it’s just one of those days.”
Here’s a little tip to get better service-if the person looks like they are in a foul mood, before you even say anything else, just say, “Hey, hang in there, I know it’s rough in here.” Or something like that. Or smile and say, “I know how you feel. I don’t know how you do it all day.” That helps. It really really does.
One more time: The kid delivered the pizza, and didn’t do anything other than seem unhappy.
All the slamming/throwing/whatever is wishy-washy bullshit in the OP, and I tend not to believe people when they ret-con after getting jumped (nothing personal, Shane).
The story was placed in a Hall of Rants. In retrospect, apparently Shane wasn’t that upset. At the time, nobody could have known that; they were responding to flaming a guy with a shitty job for a minimal offense, at best. And you know what the worst Shane heard–before you floundered to his defence–was?
Here it is…drumroll…
But then you waltz in with the swearing and the
and an attitude that wouldn’t even get you employed in a pizza joint. That, sir (or is it ma’am?), is why people make faces at you while your back is turned.
You may not believe it, but I am probably one of the most polite people you would ever meet personally in a store. I am probably the dream custome.r Especially to the minimum wage type since I know that they are busting their asses and getting paid fuck all. Nah. You probably don’t believe it. Although I swear to god its true.
I just believe in equal and fair treatment and not to take your problems out on other innocent people. Thats all.
And I have a bit of a surprise to you and to answer Guinastasia’s question. I worked retail for 5-6 years. Granted, it’s not forever but it was a long time for me. Cripes sakes, I even worked at a Bonanza as my first job so I know all about assholes and bad days. I didn’t have an excuse for bad behavior then and I don’t now.
And yeah. I swore in a pit post. So sue me.
Damn… you guys are the best! Thanks for the thread and the laughs!
Ender, you made my day with this line of yours:
***No, if you were as polite as you could be you’d be taking him in the storage room and fellating him. There’d be room, what with it unencombered by mozzarella sticks and all. ***
And you may not believe it, but in all my time working retail, I never failed to smile at the customers (though I did demagnetize a few assholes’ credit cards, but that’s another story ;)).
Exactly. Don’t flame the guy who did what you asked efficiently and immediately.
::slamming head into wall::
What bad behavior? Failure to lube asshole, grab ankles?
No, I believe frivolous lawsuits is covered in another thread in GD :rolleyes:
Just don’t be surprised when you get sworn back at…especially when charging blindly into what had been a pretty tame thread.
Maybe slam it a little harder. It may sink in yourself. Shane considered his behavior unwarranted. I agree. Thats the basis of the whole rant. He was mad with this guys attitude. He has since said his rant was lame (which is agreed upon) but has not said “Oh, I understand him. His behavior was fine.”
Who said I was surprised to get sworn back at? Its expected if you fire the first salvo. You did know that, right?
Yes, there are things that bug me a lot more then that. The pizza place thing was really only a minor annoyance. I just wanted to post what was on my mind, perhaps it was too small and lame and improper material for the BBQ pit. If that’s the case, my apologies. I’ve been away from the board for a long time. I have to get used to the style here, I guess.