Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day.

My issue with SJWs is the (seemingly) constant self contradiction. I’ll see SJWs complain that you shouldn’t categorize people, especially by a single action. But then a few posts later, they’ll call someone out, but their post will have 3 or 4 -ist words in it. For example, ‘ewww, you support ___ that’s makes you no different than all the other imperialist, racist, misogynist white privileged men out there…like, wow, blocked, have fun buddy’. And the other guy is sitting there like ‘I just said that one of my stocks jumped 3% today and I got a PM saying I’m no different than a KKK member?’

Similarly, another thing I see SJWs say, constantly, is that people of the non-oppressed group have no business inputting their opinion into the discussion. Now, while I want to say ‘as a person that’s part of the group that’s oppressing you, but not actually oppressing you, perhaps my insight may have some value’, but I just keep my mouth shut because 99% of the time the people telling everyone else to stay out of the discussion and that their opinion is less than worthless is, wait for it, 30-40 year old, well to do, white women. I’m sorry, when discussing police brutality against black people why do you get to shut me down, but you get to continue in the conversation?

Another contradiction I see is that “everyone has been raped”, “stop all the raping”, “report rapes”, “so much violence against trans/blacks/gays/etc”. Okay, got it, makes sense (except maybe the everyone has been raped part), but that doesn’t jive when you’re also crying to totally and utterly get rid of jails and police, period. So, um, who do you want responding to all these raping? What do you want done with them?

Two more quick ones, still more self-contradictions
Person on social media site puts up a post about a technical issue she’s having. A bunch of people, myself included, toss out some ideas. I and I alone got called out for ‘mansplaining’. The two females, nothing. To me, I saw that as ‘fuck you, I don’t want help from a man’. She also sent me a message telling me she knew more about the subject than I do so she didn’t need my opinion anyways. I didn’t respond, but all I could think was that she’s a FOAF and I’ve only met her once for a few minutes at a bar, there’s no possible way she could have any idea about her knowledge vs mine on an extremely specific subject. It’s was, literally, nothing more than ‘stop talking, male’. To this day I wish I had responded to that comment with 'how do you know?"

One of my favorites. SJW, complains about something. Non-SJW, says it’s no big deal. SJW tells him he has no business and his opinion doesn’t count since he’s not part of the oppressed group. Non-SJW says ‘neither are you, so why are you talking about it?’. SJW comes back with the fact that they were just quoting someone from that group. This is similar to the argument that when an SJW accuses someone, they’re right and you’re not allowed to defend yourself. What was funny, to me at least is that the non-SJW found an official PR statement from the head of the ‘oppressed’ regarding the (non) situation, and brought it to her attention and said that if all that matters is quotes, here’s one from the top person specifically saying that they’re actually happy about the way this is playing out. SJW continues to tell the other poster that he’s wrong.

You know, I’m (most of the time) a lefty, but, it’s funny, the more of this I see, the more I understand my super-right friends when they say things like ‘the left is supposed to be tolerant, but they’re only tolerant to people with their view point and as soon as you disagree with them, they yell and scream and call you names until you give them what they want’.

I think the internet has made this considerably worse and, as I’ve said before, if the way left and way right would both just take a few steps towards the middle and stop digging their heels in, we might be able to get somewhere. Like c’mon, do you, honestly, think getting rid of the police is a good idea, do you truly think that every.single.cop is a terrible human being or could you maybe look at Shaun King’s list of ways to make the police force better and and say 'yeah, if we could implement half (or so) of these, it would really make a difference. And again, to stick with the cop thing, yes, there’s a lot of cop/minority issues, but if we get rid of them, what do you want to happen when someone breaks into your house and you call 911?
Could you maybe attempt to think more than an hour into the future? Maybe try not to call someone a nazi or a racist or an imperialist or a (gasp) capitalist because they dared to say 'that makes sense, but I’m not so sure about one of your points".
FTR, I do like to keep SJW’s in my facebook feed because even when I think they’re reactions are beyond ridiculous, I think sometimes it’s necessary and, also, it brings attention to the issues facing people that I wouldn’t otherwise be aware of. Same reason I keep the super-right people in my feed and together they sort of balance out.

On preview, this turned out to be a way longer post than I thought it would be…
TLDR, probably pretty much what was said above.

If SJWs make a big enough stink that we get a Wonder Woman with armpit hair I will need a safe space.

I don’t understand the anger expressed toward Single Jewish Women. I’ve known some who were delightful and then some.

Yes, I do. In fact I almost added that even if the name is now considered a pejorative, those people, even if they now shy away from calling themselves SJWs, deserve the scorn (for those who want to silence opponents) or the ridicule (for those who want to forbid yoga classes).

I assume that you’re going to tell me that nowadays, this name is applied to people who don’t have this attitude?

In this case, whether or not it’s still an useful category depends on my opinion on whom exactly it is applied. I wrote earlier in this thread a post listing the attributes of SJWs (the one ending with my statement that they have a mindset exactly similar to that of religious extremists), and could add to that sheep who, despite maybe not having the same mindset, follow suit because it’s trendy and popular.

Given the previous argument about the wording SJWs, I’m going to specify that I’m talking about people who fall into my definition of SJWs

SJWs don’t support that. Not if it’s the kind of activity they don’t approve of. Homosexual sex is fine, if not even a positive trait, but D/s should be banned. And for many of them, sex work too.

A number of SJWs (with a RadFem bend) don’t, on the basis that transexuals aren’t real women, with the life experience of being a woman with a vagina. And, being in fact men, they pose a threat to actual women. I’ve even seen the argument that transexuals shouldn’t be allowed to be gynecologists (or at least should advertize that they’re transexuals), because it could mislead women into believing that they’re safe, being examined by a female while they’re in fact examined by a male with presumably doubtful intents (because of course why else would a man chose to be a gynecologist)

They don’t think so, either, at least in practice. When you read something like “that’s why you shouldn’t trust or engage with white heterosexual men” (in a discussion about a model being harassed by a photographer), it shows that in this person mind, white heterosexual men don’t deserve a fair go.

clairobscur, just add me as a data point who has only heard of “SJW” or “Social Justice Warrior” used as a derogatory phrase. Perhaps I just don’t move in the right circles to hear it being used as a badge of honour.

Actually, I think this is a LOUSY point. What you’re basically saying is that people who are fighting for justice but on issues you consider trivial are SJWs and are an annoyance and a discredit to those who ARE fighting more serious issues.

The reasons it’s a bad point are these: first of all, it’s a kind of separating the sheep from the goats - THOSE liberals are doing it all wrong, but US liberals are doing it right. They’re the sinners, we’re the elect.

And second, who makes the distinction? Sure, there are some obvious cases, but there’s gonna be a lot of gray areas.

Third, fuck this use of ‘SJW’ as a derogatory thing. I for one think fighting for social justice is in general a Good Thing, and if some people are doing so in a trivial way, well, that comes with the territory. No movement is going to be perfect, or going to be composed of people of perfect judgment.

Fighting to keep the Republicans from depriving 25,000,000 Americans of health insurance - that’s fighting for social justice. Are we all ‘social justice warriors’? If we aren’t, then the term has no meaning except as a concept we were too wimpy to defend. Yes we are SJWs, and being one is a good thing. I, for one, am in favor of taking the term, owning it, and asking people like Rich Sanchez just what they feel is wrong with being a SJW anyway? Are they for taking away health insurance from one out of every 13 Americans, just because some college students acted like college students? That’s the issue here.

Can we use this thread for Social Injustice Warriors, too? For example, the North Carolina legislature cutting off its nose to spite its face by overriding local LGBT-friendly bathroom laws, thereby losing the state all kinds of business including hosting some of the NCAA basketball tournament?

How about the current administration, overturning the LGBT-friendly hiring rules? Are they SIWs?

How about the two dozen states that have put anti-Sharia laws on the books? I mean, come on, we all agree that the US is a Christian-dominated place, right? Are they SIWs or SJWs?

How about people, including the President, getting offended when people say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? SJWs? SIWs? Help me out here. They seem to be fighting something that doesn’t really affect anyone, right?

Martini Enfield, I’m happy that you think that LGBT people and others shouldn’t face discrimination, but as you can see, people in this country don’t agree with you and there’s all kinds of discrimination in real life in the US.

I’m a white woman. Can I wear blackface? Or war paint and a war bonnet?

Or hell, let’s go for the obvious one. Can I wear a KKK robe and hood?

Is it okay to kill endangered species so I can make powders that will enhance virility? How about whales?

Are these things irrelevant?

There are people in this thread who would say these things are irrelevant. I’m guessing you wouldn’t be among them. But I honestly think you might run into difficulty saying exactly why they are different.

There are colossal idiots out there of every ideology. Every ideology can go to extremes. That isn’t in question, for me.

But I think it takes hindsight to figure out the exact boundaries of sense-making and nonsense-making. Each of us is only as wise as our minds and our experiences. We do not know the whole of the world, just our slice of it, and that slice not as well as we think.

We’re all fumbling through this. Some people are fumbling through trying to ensure justice, some are fumbling through trying to ensure injustice, and sometimes it’s harder to tell the difference than any of us would like.

Surely some of those early SJW’s used the term online. Perhaps we can see a “link”?

Nope?

Social Justice Warrior is like Men’s Rights Activist*. Both sound fine on the surface, and there are a probably a few uniformed souls left using those titles to fight homophobia or child-custody bias or whatnot, but for the most part those terms have been co-opted by the extremists and their detractors.

*Well, my brother says there are people calling themselves MRAs who talk about legit social issues. I’ve never seen one in the wild myself.

Some questions from the Snowflake test:

Whatever other companies define as “standard” that you don’t.

If I was employed at a gun range, I’d be copacetic.

You mean like the room where they keep the bandaids and rubbing alcohol? All for them.

Controversial as in what Adam & Eve stock? I think the buyer understands the inherent risks, or lack thereof.

Why do you ask? Will we be wanting to call them while we’re here?

November last year

You mean all colleges or just the ones you currently have a beef with?

I have faith that the leaders of our country and working environments won’t be blame-shifting man-babies who believe everything they see on Fox News, but my faith is often displaced.

I would assume I’m in another country our president pissed off, so I would get the fuck out.

Can you explain it to me? I couldn’t understand what the issue was.

So what IS your definition? Drawing generalizations from the multitude of anecdotes offered, it still seems to me that people here are defining SJW as activists fighting for issues they consider not worth fighting for. I don’t really think we need a word for that. Sure, there are plenty of issues that people fight for that I don’t think are worthy. So what?

This SJW reads this article and her conclusion is this.

Also, this SJW would like you to know as a matter of urgency that ‘Straight white men are generally trash’.

Do you know what these two SJWs have in common? They both write for TEEN vogue.

h/t @thesafestspace

If you’re gonna have to resort to linking to tweets to find your outrages, then I don’t see the point in bothering. A lot of shit goes on in Twitter interactions, it’s easy to take one tweet out of context - 140 characters doesn’t have room to convey nuance and sarcasm to someone who hasn’t been following the conversation - and it isn’t worth anyone’s time to dig out the full conversation just to see if your gripe makes sense or not. Nuts to that.

They’re journalists with substantial followings. Change white to black and straight to gay. Would they still have their jobs?

Can we change white to black and straight to gay through all society, or are we pretending like changing them only in these Tweets while leaving everything else the same is a reasonable thing to do?

In any case, when on the one hand we have a freelancer who’s been published in Teen Vogue making shitty tweets, and on the other hand we have congressman Steve King openly calling for a white nation, I have a hard time getting worried about the Teen Vogue freelancer.

It is perhaps worth noticing the responses to that tweet. Folks like BasedWhiteMale, who had this to say:

Thanks for showing whites that #antiwhite hate is deep in the hearts of POC. Truly, thx, making our job easier

While tagging this guy. And then the number of neonazis who went on to agree with him.

But yes, clearly the problem we should be worried about is “teh SJWs”.

:rolleyes:

It is a reasonable thing to do. Unless you’re one of those “Racism = prejudice + power” retards, bigotry is bigotry.

Why the fuck are you comparing those two things? I’m certainly not.