Survey Says! JDT is dead wrong.

Great Debates
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Survey Results

Which do women prefer? JDT says that women prefer intact men.
Survey says:
80% prefer circumcised

Sexual practice… JDT says that intact men are less likely to perform oral and anal sex, or engage in foreplay. He says they spend more time outside the vagina, and use short strokes.
Survey says:
intact and circumcised men are just about dead even for all of the above.
Women seem to enjoy these things in the same ratio, with a little less enthusiasm for short strokes.

Time. JDT says that intact men last longer in bed during intercourse, citing “40 minutes” several times.
Survey says:
Most circumcised men fall into the 20 minute or higher range (20 minutes being most common)
Almost half of intact men (42%) last only 10 minutes.
20 minutes is the favored length by women.

The wet spot. JDT says sex with intact men avoids a wet spot.
Survey says:
39% of women have experienced the wet spot with both cut and uncut men.

Importance of the foreskin. JDT says it’s the thing in life most worth living for (paraphrased)
Survey says:
Only one person things it’s the most erotic part of a man’s body or neccessary for satisfying sex.
29% think it is probably sensitive, but not neccessary for satisfying sex.
7% think it’s irrelevant to sex
6% think it gets in the way during sex
15% think it’s gross
47% don’t even think about it.

Women making noise and moving around in bed. JDT says that it only happens with cut men, and that a woman who is REALLY enjoying the sex will not do these things.
Survey says:
94% think that it means they’re really enjoying themselves.
Only 1 person said it only happens with cut men.
So… Jack. This survey was presented to a group of people internationally. I posted it several other places besides here to get a wider coverage. I’m willing to bet that it had more participants than any of your “studies”…

What have you to say about how the results uniformly refute what you claim to be the truth?

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OpalCat,
Well, sorry OpalCat, I don’t really think too much of this survey. Like I said at the beginning, I wished that you had separated out the women from the gay men in the survey. I think that the most informative questions are Questions 5, 6, and 8. This is because no one really knows the right answer.
As I would have predicted, the answers on Questions 5 for the circumcised men run the gamut. All different lengths of time for intercourse (I am assuming that the respondents all assumed that intercourse means “inside” the vagina). Ten minutes or longer for the intact men is a little longer than I would have predicted, but this would change if they were engaging more outside of the vagina.
On Question 8 concerning the wet spot, again, I don’t think that anyone knows the right answer. Two of the seven intact men that responded have not experienced the wet spot. And, five of the 31 circumcised men have not experienced the wet spot either. The most interesting persons in this question are those circumcised men that have not experienced the wet spot. How can this be so that these circumcised men have not experienced a wet spot? I have no idea, unless they’re gay and haven’t been with a woman (no reason why gay men couldn’t have answered the question by the way your survey was worded).
One other problem that I have with the survey is that the respondents didn’t answer all of the questions. Didn’t they know themselves well enough to answer? Is this drop-off what normally happens in surveys such as this? I don’t know.
I still find your survey interesting, though. I’ll save the results. Thanks for doing it.

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There’s no wet spot if you use condoms. People who don’t experience the wet spot probably always use condoms.

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Yet I would bet you a million dollars that you’d say it was further proof of your points had the results agreed with you.

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Lemur866,

> There’s no wet spot if you use condoms. People who don’t experience the wet spot probably always use condoms. <

No, even with condoms, people still experience the wet spot. But, I wonder if somehow the condom does have some affect/effect on the amount of fluid in the wet spot. Why would you think that people who use condoms don't experience the wet spot?
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OpalCat,

> Yet I would bet you a million dollars that you’d say it was further proof of your points had the results agreed with you. <
No, I wouldn’t have because I would be afraid that taking such a position might backfire on me.
I’ll still refer people to your survey for what it’s worth. I’d be doing that no matter how much I think the results reflect any reality of the situation. Over time, I’ll get some Info. from your survey.
BTW, that’s a real sharp web site that you have.

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that’s a tough one! My oh my! WTF could it be?

Hang on! Here’s an idea! Condoms are sealed little bags (note to self, this is further evidence that JDT doesn’t have much real life experience ) and the only time they leak if they like, YK, umm break

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Well, I’ve been looking for a new sig, and this is it. Thanks, Jack. I think you’re the only one who could have come up with this one.

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Aaaargh. Here it is. Did a preview and forgot to recheck the show sig box.

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Survey says “crap”

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Primaflora,

> Hang on! Here’s an idea! Condoms are sealed little bags (note to self, this is further evidence that JDT doesn’t have much real life experience ) and the only time they leak if they like, YK, umm break <

Well, this is very interesting. Do the women wherever you are at, not have any fluids to leak? Perhaps we're not in agreement as to what a "wet spot" is. When I use the term "wet spot," I mean the fluid saturation that gradually forms on the bed (or whatever the woman is laying upon) while intercourse is taking place. Apparently, some persons here think that the wet spot is formed after ejaculation and when the man pulls his penis out. To those who think this: How does a woman get pregnant if the semen just flows right out of the woman? Obviously, there's a tremendous malfunction here. Does anyone have any thoughts on what that malfunction could be?
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by the same magic that knocks her up when the man just rubs the dorsal side of his penis on her clitoris, of course! :rolleyes:

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Jack

I am getting the impression that you would like people to share details again. I recommend that you go out to your nearest bar and begin collecting anecdotal info from the people you meet. I hear that bikers have lots of sex and a biker bar could be a congenial place for your research.

As no matter what we say, we are either lying or just plain wrong, it could be in your best interests to take your research into real life and see if anyone will give you info. A local massage parlour or brothel which practises safe sex for the workers, might allow you to sniff the sheets in real life. Wouldn’t that be special! :wink:

Hope this helps

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Pardon me if I’m covering territory that has already been covered, but I’ve been away and I don’t feel like wading through the 8,000 or so pages of threads that JDT seems to have generated in his short time at the SDMB.

Re the “wet spot”:

Are you saying, “the foreskin of an intact penis holds onto some of the semen after ejaculation and during the post-coital removal of the penis from the vagina, thus making the wet spot on the bed smaller?” Or are you talking about some kind of kinky sex “wet spot”, like the semi-mythical “G-spot”? (Whatever happened to that, anyway?)

It was my understanding that when a penis with a foreskin gets erect, the foreskin pulls back out of the way, leaving the glans exposed. Therefore, when it’s inside the woman’s vagina, it wouldn’t matter whether there was a foreskin or not, and therefore, there wouldn’t be any difference in the amount of semen that drained out onto the bed. My experience is that no matter how much or how little there is, the amount that’s going to drain out to form the “wet spot” is going to be “all of it”.

I don’t understand why this is in General Debates. What are we debating? Whether women prefer circumcised men?

I’m just amazed that any man, anywhere, has even noticed the problem of the “wet spot”, let alone offered some kind of opinion on it.

P.S. A woman can get pregnant even if “all” the semen drains out onto the bed because Mother Nature always overdoes things and provides the human male with about 1,000% more “ejaculatory fluid” than is actually required to convey one itty-bitty sperm cell up the vagina, through the cervix, to Home Base. And the minute those sperm cells touch the vaginal walls, they start swimming. Fast. It’s survival of the fittest–the fastest ones DON’T fall out onto the bed, and therefore increase their chances of beating their friends to the ovum and passing on their DNA (including a talent for water sports) to the next generation.

Didn’t your Sex Ed teacher ever tell you about all the girls who got pregnant even though they “didn’t even let him put it in all the way”? “It only takes one sperm cell,” the girls’ P.E. teacher told us darkly. “All he has to do is let it TOUCH you–down there–and you can get pregnant.” We all went, “Woooo…” :rolleyes:

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Noticed it? I’ve slept on it! :wink:

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Maybe there is less of a wet spot because with the addition of sensitive tissue men with the extra amount of foreskin ,ahem, complete the task so bloody fast that the female isn’t aroused enough to produce much vavinal lubricant? As previously stated in this line of arguing men with foreskin engage in less foreplay as well thus again less stimulation for the woman.

Even if all of these assertations are true I wouldn’t be bragging about having more foreskin. It’s tantamount to saying “Hey baby, I gots’ me some extra foreskin and that means I’m not going to give you any foreplay and I’ll finish real fast too. Ohhh, yeah. Can you dig it?” I hear women really hate foreplay and lovers who take their time. Hence the popular country western tune “Hurry up and finish so I can get me a beer.”

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DDG

you need to read the whole astounding saga to really understand the full glory of the research and theories of JDT.

G spots, power sucking breasts, the magic sucking foreskin and the lack of wet spots are covered in details. Tug ahoys are optional.

You would also come to realise that JDT is impervious to reason and to debate. He’s right, the foreskin rules and we are all doing sex wrong. With or without foreskins. I really think you owe to yourself to find out how to do sex the JDT way!

Actually the Church of Circumscientology probably has enough info to revolutionise your sex life! Do a search on Duke.

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Golly.

Well, I guess it’s nice to see that in these unfocused and confusing times, there is at least one person who still has an agenda.

But I think I’ll take a rain check on all 8,000 pages of it, thanks.

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Semi-Mythical?!!!
I assure you, there is nothing “mythical” about the G-Spot.

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rofl I cannot believe this argument has gone as far as it has.

In my experience, the wet spot tends to be alot larger when I orgasm… the more orgasms, the more surface area on the bed becomes unusable to sleep on. (Herein lies the timeless “Who gets to sleep on the fuck spot” argument.)

So claiming to have LESS of a wet spot is basically stating, “She doesnt get off… so its much cleaner in the long run.” which may be the case, but I wouldnt flaunt it.

Furthermore… my boyfriend is uncut and sounds NOTHING like JDT’s description of an uncut lover. Foreskin does NOT dictate bedside manner. Some people are just slower and more romantic… slower, and more intent on savoring -everything-… and others are more caught up in the moment and less concerned about experiencing the entirety of another person. Its all so very case by case, I cant believe anyone would conduct a survey or make a generalization.

The only thing I can say about an uncut lover as opposed to a circumsized one is that its easier to manually stimulate an uncircumsized penis because the skin has more room to slide.

And they look different flacid. Not bad or good… just different. Aside from that? No difference. No strange smell, no noticable smegma (sidenote: In some research I did on circumcision and the decision whether or not to routinely circumsize children I found an article that cited that women actually produce -alot- more smegma than uncircumsized men. I’ll look for the site if anyone’s interested)

But in my opinion, circumcision is an outdated procedure that shouldnt be done for aesthetics sake anymore than FGM.

I only wish I’d had access to the facts when I made that decision for my son.