I really need a Purple Rock Tutorial. Is there a reason the final 4 were so sure Jeff would pull out a bag of rocks in the event of a tie? My husband believes the Rock of Destiny is used in cases of unbreakable ties where both of the participants have the same total number of votes cast against them. As I understand it, there was only one time when past votes were used to break a tie.
Anyone know for certain?
I also have to admit Rob played a good game. At one point in the wrap-up Jeff asked why nobody voted off Rob when they had the chance, and they had plenty of chances. Somebody replied to the effect that they just never really came together. You have to credit Rob for keeping all his opponents mistrustfull enough of each other that they wouldn’t risk formulating a plan of their own. This was typified in his engineering a fight between Rupert and Tom. Divide and conquer.
It was only used once, in Marqueses at the final four voting. IIRC, it was Neleh, Vecepia, Kathy and Pascal. I can’t remember who had immunity, but it was a 2-2 tie. I think they went back and voted again, and it was still a 2-2 tie. The three without immunity picked rocks from a bag without showing them, and then all turned their hands over at the same time, and it was Pascal (older guy, quite chummy with Neleh, a younger girl) who had the dreaded Purple Rock of Booting. It had nothing to do with past votes. The “past votes in case of a tie” hasn’t been used at all in recent years. They did that the first few seasons, but not recently.
I also wondered why they were so certain a tie would come down to rock-picking, unless Jeff had said that’s what they would do, and we just didn’t see it.
Is the “viewer’s choice” going to be a permenant thing? Because if it is, it could change how contestants act on future shows. I’m thinking there would be a whole lot less of that Johnny Fairplay type obnoxiousness.
I don’t have much new to add, but IMO I think that it is a travesty that Rob did not win. He dictated the entire game. As everyone has been saying, those that whine about backstabbing would have done the same thing to be in Rob and Amber’s position. Amber rode coattails, plain and simple.
And why so much love for Rupert? He might have had a shot at winning the million if he wasn’t so damn stupid. And he is a whiner. Who cares if he needs the money…I need to money too.
And Big Tom is a worse liar than Rob…he is on tape talking about voting Rob off!!! And he is even dumber than Rupert.
I am convinced that Jenna was only kept around so long because she was not a threat mentally or physically.
It was damn smart of Rob and Amber to get into an alliance with people that are too stupid to realize that they could have the power if they just thought about it. Shii Ann tried to warn them.
All in all, the season was borning. The surprise was boring (I agree that it is a bone throw to Rupert, but I am voting for Shii Ann). Who cares if Rob and Amber get married? Jerri made herself look foolish for playing the victim.
I tell you what, Hatch and Shii Ann seem to be the only sane ones to me. It is a game show. Yeah, there are emotions involved, but it is still a game. Hatch is right. I am glad that he won the first and best season of Survivor.
I don’t think you could be more wrong. They may be dumb, and they may be unlikeable. But so far, they rank #17 and #18 on the “Dumbest People to Play Survivor: All Stars”.
Thanks Bibliocat.
I remember the Pappy incident, but I’m still not sure whether or not the past votes tie-breaker is no more, or if it’s the first of various things tried to break a tie. Did Kathy and Neleh have the same number of past votes prompting Burnett to find an alternative tie-breaker?
Well, after a little searching, I found this essay, which does a pretty good job of explaining the course of tie-breaker procedure on Survivor:
veerry interesting. Seems it’s all Dirty Kimmi’s fault.
For everyone wondering how Rob and Amber are allowed to share the money by getting married, it is my understanding that the ‘no splitting money’ rule only applies to making deals before or during the actual game. Burnett is trying to avoid people buying jury votes (vote for me and if I win I’ll give you 5%) or making alliances based on splitting prize money. After the show I don’t think it applies any more. I don’t see how CBS could follow the winner for the rest of her life and make sure no money ever goes to any other player for any reason.
To answer another question brought up - Sue and Hatch are no longer at odds, or at least when Sue quit she appeared on the Early Show with Hatch and they said all was ok. Richard apologized and there was no more lawsuit.
I agree that this jury was too whiny about getting screwed by Rob. Hatch said it best when he told Lex off at the reunion. Sometimes I think Hatch is way too smug about being the first winner and thinks he is just the best player ever, but I have to agree with those that treat Survivor like a game and not a morality test. It is interesting to see how the players are about divided on this issue of how the game is best played - with ‘integrity’ (whatever that means) or ‘to win.’
I was irritated with Rob sometimes during this season but the others had their chance to get him off and never took it. He deserved to make it to the end and the others were too stupid to get rid of him. They don’t deserve to be there.
I was at least proud of Jenna for telling Rob to be proud of the way he played the game. At least some of the jury was able to see that he got the better of them and they simply didn’t play as well as he did, morality issues or no.
I still don’t know who to vote for the extra million. I am trying to remember all of their original seasons and take that into consideration as well as this season - to find the true All-Star - but I find that players who I really liked in their first seasons just didn’t come through this time. I think I would rather vote for someone who improved the second time.
I agree. Rob had that game by the short hairs from the minute he got on the island. He played the rest of the All Stars like a Stratocaster. Amber did nothing but ride his coattails and she didn’t offend anybody else. Rob deserved to win the $1 million, not Amber.
I don’t like him, but I do admire the way he played this game.
Yes. It was.
Is it your entire raison d’etre to be an insufferable dick, leander?
Putz off.
And if that happened, it would be an enormously boring show. Who would watch a bunch of goody-two-shoes discussing in a gentelmanly fashion who is more deserving to win the $1 million? Not me. I’d rather see lyin’, cheatin’ and stealin’. . . and then have the best rascal go down in flames at the very end.
It seems like everyone who is voted off before the Final Two says they played with “integrity” and “honor.” When they have their final confessional, they always claim to be leaving with their dignity, unlike “some of those others.” :rolleyes:
Then at the Reunion or that final Tribal Council when this is brought up, the Final Two always say they were playing to win and lying is part of the game. I guess it depends on where you place in the game.
And yes, they had plenty of chances to get rid of Rob. I’m annoyed that he got as far as he did, but hey, they had their chances. It would have been interesting to see how it would have played out if Lex and Kathy had dumped Amber rather than Jerri, though.
Game: Jenna should’ve gone with the purple rock. She might’ve got lucky and gone to final 3 with Rupert & Amber (although she would probably have lost to either, in the final 2).
Rob was one of the most dominating players to ever play the game, in both challenges and strategy. But if he had stabbed one fewer player in the back (for instance, booting Jenna instead of Tom) he’d be a millionaire today, instead of a community property millionaire. Amber could never answer the question “why you, instead of Rob?” but won anyway – because the competition came down to Rob and Not-Rob. A tree stump would’ve beaten Rob, 4-3.
Morality: yet another ditto for Hatch & Shii-Ann. It is a game (not just a game), and the object is to win. You win by deceiving the other players. It is possible to go far without pissing anyone off – I think Colby and Ethan did it – but it doesn’t happen very often. The trick is to do it without being obvious; Rob was too obvious.
Reunion: Most Annoying. Audience. Ever. Shut the hell up and let the players speak.
Anyone notice that whenever Amber was asked what she sees in Rob, the answer involves “security”? Does she have Issues in her childhood, or what?
If anyone else had asked that question, Rob might have won. But since Tom did, Amber could answer that question to help herself out. The “Rob had a tighter alliance, thus his betrayal is worse” response is accurate.
Anyone else think Rob could have won if he was able to put more than three words together coherently for his tribal answers and final statement? If he’d said what Jenna wanted to hear, “I made it to the Final Two - I did what every one of you TRIED to do. I made some enemies, but I PLAYED this game to the max” I think he coulda gotten some more votes.
I’m still amazed at how petty and pathetic 1/2 of that jury was.
What have I missed?
In typical fashion, leander felt like being an assbag to me. I posted some of my thoughts on the show, and he maintained that it hadn’t aired yet by 9:50pm Left Coast time.
Probably just bitter over some comments made in another thread. He seemed to be a little butt-hurt over them.
Rupert. Kathy, and Tom were the only three people who could claim that they hadn’t acted like Rob. As far we could see, none of them ever betrayed an ally.
Shii Ann, Jenna Lewis, and Hatch were willing to admit they were playing the same game as Rob and just got beaten by circumstances.
But Lex and Alicia were the two big hypocrites. They were willing to betray people. And they complained the loudest when they were betrayed in turn. For all their hair-splitting about how they acted differently, they played the same game as Rob except not as well.
I agree. It reminds me of the quote: Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen.
A breakdown:
Amber: Didn’t do as much as Rob to get there, but let’s be honest. Did Rob ever have a chance of reaching final 2 without her? She softened his edges, took some hits (votes) as well, and socialized enough with the others to allow them to really underestimate the duo. Rob may have dominated, but nobody besides Amber could’ve made that partnership work.
Rob: Officially the best Survivor player to not win. Has anyone else dominated the challenges so completely, led his team to victories so regularly without having his authority undermined, and even was able to control the vote of another team? Nope.
Jenna: She was right–the couple had nothing to be ashamed about the way they played. She also did the right/only thing re: Rupert.
Rupert: Man-oh-man, no way I’m going to see Thursday’s Wank-fest over this overrated prick. He’s a baby and a hypocrite. The only reason he behaved himself at the TC & reunion show was that Rob strung him out for so long. Remember how he tore Lil a new one because of her gameplay? Rupert would’ve done the same thing to Rob if he had gone out a few slots earlier. He’s still a big entitlement-whiner and control-freak who loves being the center of attention. I’m personally trying to figure out who has the best shot at beating him (Rudy?) since he doesn’t “need” the money–he needs some damn humility.
Tom: Way to act like a 12-year old Tom, with the “psych” shake. :rolleyes: I will give him props for sticking up for Bo, and Rob did the right thing by apologizing, but I think Rupert’s “Earn”-think rubbed off on the farmer, since he thought he “deserved” better treatment. Deserves got nothin’ to do with it, dummy.
Shi Ann: Still thinks too highly of herself, but her “glass houses” comment was on the nose.
Alicia: What a prissy little bitch. I’m glad she didn’t get a word in at reunion because her perpetual snarl/scowl would’ve made words redundant. Boo-Hoo, the handshake was violated! Woe the inhumanity!
Kathy: Props to her for sorta getting over it (enough, at least, to recognize who deserved to win), but there was a hint of desperation, trying to salvage her position a bit.
Lex: No salvaging here. Everyone except Blue-Hair boy seems to know what a hypocrite he is. And no, the way you play the game has nothing to do with how you live your life (unless you let it). What utter horseshit.
Jerri: Nobody had a more dramatic makeover this year than Jerri. The ubur-bitch turned into the sole voice of reason on the Tribe of the Damned. Nobody did more to drive the nails into the coffin of Saboga then Rupert, so for him to get all the cheers and her get all the boos was the one genuinely sickening moment of the night. I can’t say I agreed at all with her “the cost of entertainment” screed, but let’s be honest–she could’ve been spouting what Hatch was, and the jerkoff audience still would’ve booed. A shame.
Hatch: The fact that Hatch was 100% right in his comments doesn’t change the fact that he is the biggest camera whore of the bunch.
Sue: Count me as one who’s glad they didn’t revisit the ThrustGate. And maybe I never paid much attention, but I didn’t notice much of a difference at all.
Ethan & Jenna M.: Ewww.
Colby: I think he’s got my vote for the M$.
Rudy: I have an easier time understanding Tom than I do this old crank–was that a veiled threat, macho posturing, or the early stages of senility? Still, he is a character.
Rob C & Tina: Honestly, who cares?
Well, at least Rob didn’t win.
Spare us the theatrics, Jerri. You got your Playboy shoot last time, what are you going to do this time?
And yes, IT"S A GAME. When you sit down with your buddies to play poker, do you end a friendship if one of them bluffs? No. THAT’S THE WAY YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO PLAY, IDIOT.
I don’t know who to vote for. I’m leaning towards Rupert, but I keep thinking of that God-awful shelter/hole he made his tribe build…