From Jeff’s blog:
Huh? They used to make it very hard to find the idol. Usually, it was impossible to find them with just one or two clues, and they were hidden away from camp. Remember the Exile Island days? So, I think what he should say is that they’re going back to the way they used to hide them, after screwing up and changing things so that it was too easy.
I’m always impressed by how Russell picks the perfect people to flip. It’s like a lion smelling the blood of a gazelle from 100 miles away. Even after Sandra talked to her Candice was too scared to go against Russell. Any other Hero member would not have went for it, but Russell somehow knew Candice would stick with him.
I honestly think they are helping Russell find them. Not hard to do, even very subtly. A cameraman is right there, who likely knows where the idol is. A few nods and glances is all that it would take. The producers clearly love Russell and what his to stay on.
I would be surprised if the camera men were told where they were. This seems like a baseless accusation.
Really? I don’t think the Heroes would neccessarily keep Sandra over Candice; and even past that, if the four last Heroes had been the four left in the game, I don’t think there’s any obvious way it would’ve played out. Remember that the obvious alliances in the Heroes tribe both got whittled down due to injury and needing to keep the stronger players. Colby is the only one remaining from his alliance, and it’s not clear how tight Rupert and Amanda are with each other with JT and James (the other parts of their alliance) gone. And while she might be “6th at worst” with the Villains, she’s also 3rd at best. Not a single hero will give her a vote on the jury.
Of course not. I’m confused as to how this relates to what I said. With the Heroes Candice is at best the last hero voted out, which is 6th. With the Villians, she’s at worst the first Villain voted out, which is also 6th. The Heroes have no power at all, so I’m not sure why you object on the grounds of whether or not the Heroes would keep Sandra over Candice. That rebuttal makes no sense to me.
3rd at best with the Villians (which is being generous, IMO) is still better than 6th at best with the Heroes. The Villians are voting off the Heroes one by one. If Candice stays with them, the best she can hope for is last Hero out. If she flips now, she can reasonably hope to outlast every Hero. If she’s cast off immediately after the other Heroes, that’s still 6th place, which is the best she can hope for by sticking with the Heroes. So she doesn’t lose anything by flipping.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2925968/survivor_star_russell_hantz_arrested.html?cat=2
“At this time we have been unable to confirm that Russell used an immunity idol to get out of jail this morning.”
:smack:
If she and Sandra had stuck to the plan to vote for Parvati, Parvati would be gone and the game would be tied at 4 Heroes (Rupert, Colby, Amanda, Candice), 3 Villains (Russell, Danielle, Jerri) and 1 renegade (Sandra). If the 4 heroes keep Sandra with them just one more vote (say, for Russell) then they’d be up and able to vote of all the villains, even Sandra, giving us a all-heroes Final 4, including Candice. They would’ve had the upper hand. So yes, she lost a lot by flipping sides.
Ah, now I see what you mean. I don’t think there was ever a chance a villian was going home.
This all assumes that Parvati doesn’t play an immunity idol. Or that Sandra is truly a renegade and not a planted double agent for the Villains.
This really highlights the brilliance of Russell’s gameplay. He saw this in advance and knew exactly how to head it off. He showed Candice his idol to gain a level of trust.
Then, he walks up to Sandra and Candice while they are plotting and basically tells them he knows their plan and that it would only work if both of them stick to it. If either one buckles, the other is screwed. A classic Prisoner’s dilemma. (Which doesn’t occur that often in the game of Survivor, and is rarely employed as a strategem by one of the players.)
So, could Candice trust Sandra? When she talked to Sandra, Sandra picked up on her doubts and knew she could not trust Candice 100%. Thus the result we witnessed.
It’s easy to call both prisoners idiots for not collaborating together. Unless you’re the prisoner, of course.
What interests me most about this vote is that after Candice flipped (which we all knew she’d do on the beach), Sandra’s vote doesn’t matter.
She started this episode as a member of both tribes and she’s still both a Hero and a Villlan even though she voted with the Villains. She can go to the Villains and claim she voted with them, I’m still with you, woo! And she can go to the Heroes saying that even though she flipped it wasn’t enough to take out Parvati because one vote remained unread.
Candice screwed herself and Sandra is going to win it all. I’m telling you!
Also, Colby has to turn in his Man Card.
Interesting way of putting it, and yes, credit certainly goes to Russell for seeing that Candice was the one to plant the seed of doubt with. Still, while I don’t take umbrage with Sandra changing back to the Villains at the end (for the reasons you mentioned), I still think Candice was silly to do so because she gained nothing from it - I just don’t think there’s any way she can sell that to the jury. Sandra on the other hand can.
I agree that Sandra has a good chance. If Russell was really smart, he would try and get the Heroes to vote her out next week, with the return offer being “well all you 3 get to stay around another 3 days”.
So Candice shouldn’t be motivated by anything short of the million dollars, but everyone else should be motivated by staying an extra three days? Seems like a double standard.
Candice switched to maximize her chance of staying in the game longer. The Heroes are on the outside looking in, and she has always been on the outside of the Heroes looking in, so she’s doubly screwed. If she doesn’t flip, for all she knows she’s going home next week as retaliation by the villians for not flipping. If she does flip, though, she has a very good chance to outlast all the other Heroes, which means several TCs to try and infiltrate the villians.
Hell, your logic that she can’t win it all might be her ticket straight to the finals as the person everyone wants to bring along because they can beat her.
It’s just not reasonable to label Candice as stupid (or a bitch) for flipping, especially because it will likely take her further in the game.
Getting further in the game definitely has advantages even if you don’t think you will win the million outright. For one, there is a tiered financial incentive… you get more money the longer you last. And sometimes a contestant on the outs manages to collect enough immunity challenge wins to get to the finals.
Don’t under-estimate the value of an extra 3 days. When you have a power alliance of 4 or 5 there are always a player or two who are at the bottom of that alliance. If you are still in the game, you have a chance to convince anyone in that alliance that they are at the bottom (even it they aren’t).
If you are at Ponderosa, your options are very limited.
Lots of interesting comments in an interview with Amanda, including some info not revealed in the episode…
And I’m another one who thinks Candice’s flipping was a very dumb move. There are a lot ways to look at her options, but seems she chose the riskiest one with the least benefits.
I’m feeling a general disappointment in the Heroes, because of too many dumb moves. I’m now rooting for Sandra or Parvati for the win, in that order, only because they are the most consistently focused. Even Russell loses focus from time to time when his ego takes a hit, but not Sandra or Parvati. I also like how neither one of them is ever fooled or intimidated by Russell.
the hell?
As explained in some of the comments below the article it was a reference to “Jewish guilt,” of the type Woody Allen often mentioned in his comedic works… or perhaps like Catholic guilt. But I guess it’s an insensitive not-politically correct comment? … that is, unless the one making the comment is a member of the group being referenced?
What I found especially interesting in the article was Amanda’s take on Candice’s wishy-washy nervousness that causes Candice to flip so easily, and also Candice’s idea to “pretend” to flip. [sigh] … While others contend that Candice made a potentially smart move I don’t think it’s ever smart to let nervousness and emotions rule the logic and decisions.
I just have a lot of “if only” thoughts regarding the Heroes strategic attempts. They seem to play a fear-based game (or in Colby’s case a not-plugged-enough-to-care game). And I get the sense they’ve never realized just how much power they had, or how to leverage that power to their own advantage.
Or how about if the Heroes had done a little snooping, seeing which of the Villains was mostly likely to flip, instead of feeling vulnerable and scared and waiting to be flipped? For a long time Sandra has been more than ready to flip and align with the Heroes, but they’ve never been able to work out whether they can trust her. They really should have been pursuing and wooing Sandra, or even pressuring her, telling her why flipping to them would be an advantage for her. In the end the Heroes aren’t even worthy of Sandra and the strong support she could offer them.
But back to the article… I also appreciate knowing what was going on with Amanda when she relinquished the clue. I had been scratching my head because I wouldn’t have acted like Amanda in that particular situation. But I do understand overwhelming guilt, so I will give her some leeway on that one. To appease my frustration I’ve had moments of imagining Sandra in that same situation and knowing she would have felt NO guilt whatsoever. Yeah, the whiney Danielle up against the take-no-prisoners Sandra would have been more fun to watch IMO. And Sandra would have also told Colby where to stick his weird input/response/disconnectedness.