Survivor SPOILER Thread

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You can hear Hunter’s final words here. A partial quote:

Ain’t that the truth. Knuckle heads was far too kind. It was so obvious that it was purely a jealousy vote on the parts of Sean and Rob.

And speaking of Rob - is that guy an arrogant SOB, or what?

My thoughts are inappropriate for this forum. All I can say is, poor, poor Gina.

You can see who voted for whom at each tribal council here.

I’m ashamed to admit that I was actually rooting for Moronmu to win immunity, just so they could get a bit of confidence back and make it a real challenge. Now the only thing I’ll be rooting for them to do is pick each other off one by one until they’re all gone.

Stoopid, Stoopid, Stoopid.

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Okay. Bigass reward challenge. Blankets, lanterns and nice things, or food. Ooh, it would be nice to win that! I didn’t see Miss Boobs paddling the raft, but I did notice Sean at the end. It looked as if he was barely dipping the paddle in the water. Here’s a hint: If you want to make the raft go fast, you have to put some muscle into it. What a slacker.

During the TC, Rob said they were just having bad luck. Uh… no. They lost the challenges because they weren’t working together as a team. Rob wants to be The Godfather. Sean is always whining about how Whitey is oppressing the Black Man. Miss Boobs can’t figure out why she can’t just be a cheerleader.

The two best players were Hunter and Gina (? the outdoor guide). Sean and Titgirl have no concept of teamwork. The rest could have been brought into line and they could have won a challenge or two. I think Hunter didn’t show enough leadership skills. Someone had to pull the team together, and Hunter was the best one to do it. For whatever reason, he didn’t really bring his leadership abilities (required by Naval Aviators) into play. At least not enough.

But what an idiotic move to vote him off! Rob and Sean would probably survive better than Hunter in a big city, but not on an island. What were they thinking? “Let’s vote him off because once we merge he will win all of the immunity challenges”? “We already have two Alpha males. Let’s get rid of the real one”? “I hate intelligent people. Let’s get rid of him”? Aiyiyi.

No, they couldn’t vote off Slacker Sean. He’d whine too much about it. No, they couldn’t vote off Ta-ta-ella. It’s too much fun looking at her large breastages. I would love for Burnett to not step in and save them, as they did last time, and just let them sleep in the bed they’ve made. If there were any justice, Gina would be the only member to make it to the merge. But of course that won’t happen.

I can’t abide idiots. While I think Hunter did not do enough to pull the team together to win challenges, and thus he is partly to blame for his ouster, the rest save Gina are a pack of fools. I’ll be sad to see Gina go. I like looking at her the best.)

At least it will be fun to watch them realize their mistake, if Burnett allows them the time to do so.

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Spoilers and their ilk ahead:

I really can’t add too much that hasn’t already been said, but I did like the term “assclowns”, much better than knuckleheads.

As far as next week’s teaser, I do hope MB and company find a way to let team sloth choke on their own laziness. Will it be a switch? Maybe something new like offering someone in the losing team for the immunity challenge (aka the Rotu Open) $25K to voluntarily leave the island now and cancel the tribal council.

If it is a switch, the thought process behind it will be interesting if the teams get any say in it (i.e. not a shortest straw switches scenario). The teams know about the SIII switch, so they’re not totally in the dark. If the switch involves two or more people (or three minimum if Gina switches), the lazy bones are screwed. Two Rotu plus Gina = bye-bye Sarah/Rob/Sean. I tend to think that even V could be persuaded to jump ship from the dark side if she saw a powerful enough rebellion.

Of course I’m forgetting the amazing Rob and his hypnotic powers of control. “You will do what I say!” I can’t look at this schmuck without thinking of Justin on BB2.

I wonder how much fun they had in the editing room for this episode. I can hear it now: “So, how much of the pee on my hand scene do we show? Do we add special tinkle sound effects? And that toe skin, let’s make sure we get a close-up of that.”

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Team Turmoil strikes again- dispite the really lame immunity challenge designed to be as easy as possible (personally lost by the dim-witted “Godfather” wanna-be) they lost yet another player, easy their best one and the only reason they have even been close in the challenges. Sean, a Gervasie without the great personality, should have been voted off. Nice paddling there girly man- Alpha Male my butt. At best your Rob’s bitch.

Now I am sure there will be more gifts from Burnett to try and save Team Turmoil, but I am not sure they will be able to take advantage of them. Even with Rotu have 2 wounded members they still swept the challenges. Man is that one guy a hazard in the water though. . . .

The world’s most annoying real estate agent cooled it a bit, but make no mistake she will be the second one out (the sick fat boy with the busted toe will probably go first).

I really really really want no gimmicks to save the marumorons- I want to watch them get humiliated as a object lesson to all of the idiots of the world. Between Sean and Sarah they might not win any physical challenges, especially after Gina is gone. Sean, Rob, Sarah this smiley is for you -:wally

-me

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Knew there would be a celebratiion underway for the GRATEST HOUR OF TV EVER!

Name an episode of TV where you were more surprised, astonished, pissed, dumbfounded than the end of last night’s Survivor.

Add in the squeamishness with respect to the slashed toe, the humor of the hand-pee, the solidarity of the two folk who are able to finish each others’ sentences because they know they are both always talking about race. Man, it don’t get much better than this.

It will be a travesty if MB tries to save those boneheads. Especially if he does it in a way that disadvantages any of the Rotu folk. Too bad Gina will have to be sacrificed in the process.

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Just for the record, folks, this episode’s members were being filmed while Survivor 3 was being aired. Therefore, none of them know about the switch tactic.

For me, I don’t even like watching Maraamu’s segments. I think the teamwork and community that Rotu has created is great television. I could maybe do with a little bit less battlefield surgery and water games, but that just comes with the territory.

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Only if Burnett told them. S4 was being taped while S3 was being aired.

Count me in among those who hope (and expect) to keep seeing the Mama-oo-mow-mows dissolve in recriminations, while the Rotorooters are faced with going into the merge never having had to deal with a vote-out. Surely there are alliances and deals going on over there too, and I’d like to see how they’re working out.

Hunter’s farewell remarks were priceless, right up there with Sue’s “the snake eats the rat” speech: “I will phone the Red Cross and let them know where you guys are so you can be airlifted out of there after you die of starvation and dehydration after the next couple days! .”

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Nope.

According to our very own David B.:

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What I find most hilarious about the whole Muramoron business is that Rob actually thinks he’s playing smart! He thinks The Godfather is a strategy guide for real life. What a maroon!

You know, I think Vecepia is largely to blame for the teams washout now. The three stooges are just too dumb to know any better, but I credited her with better sense. It’s clear now that she’s thrown in with the idiots, for some reason.

Next week: whatever the new twist is, I don’t think it will be a switch like last time. With the teams at 8 members to 5, there’s no way it could be remotely fair. Something is going to happen though…

Another random thought: The Neleh/Paschal relationship sure reminds me of Elizabeth & Roger from the Outback. I bet those two are allied somehow.

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Is this the first time that one tribe has lost the first three immunity challenges?

Has any previous tribe (pre-merger) lost three straight immunity challenges?

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I don’t know that I agree that the failure of the team to coalesce is to be laid at Hunter’s feet. I think that he did the best that could be expected, based on the raw materials he had available…which was nothing. In order to build a team, the people involved have to, at least on some level, want to be a team. With the exception of Gina, these people don’t. They continute to fail to understand that at this stage of the game, it’s building the team that’s critical to your success. Looking out entirely for number one comes after the merge.

I’m desperately hoping that there’s no member swap and that they just let this team eat away at itself. It would certainly be a new concept, which is something that Survivor needs if it’s going to…well…survive. :wink:

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Maybe it’s just me, but as I watch the antics of Maraamu, I reminded of one of those National Geographic specials on a tribe of chimps. You have the alpha male. You have two beta males who want to be the alpha male; neither is strong enough to defeat the alpha so they gang together to beat him. Each male has chosen his mate. Of course now that the old Alpha is gone, the two Betas will fight each other to become the new Alpha. Expect more grunting and feces throwing next week.

And like chimps, the Maraamus apparently lack a grasp of higher mathematics. Here’s a fact Rob and Sean should focus on; four is less than half of ten. If one more Maraamu gets kicked off, you’ll go into the merger against at least a 6-4 majority. And then every Maraamu that’s left will be voted off one by one. Rob and Sean are so determined to become Captain of the ship, they’re failing to notice the ship itself is sinking.

Here’s an interesting idea. Maybe Gina, Sarah, and Vecepia will decide to end this ridiculous dominance struggle and vote both Rob and Sean off.

As for Rotu, things are easy right now; their 5-0 record means people aren’t stressing and everyone’s getting along. If they do have an upset defeat and have to vote someone off, I’m figuring Kathey will be the one if they go by personality; she’s bonded better than she was, but she’s still the least popular member. But illness and injury could strike; if John or Robert’s injuries get infected one of them may have to leave for medical reasons.

It’s still too early to call anyway. In the last two seasons, there was one team that looked hopeless. And in both cases the apparently hopeless team came back and produced the ultimate winner.

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Me, too. If they (Mara-Morons) continue to lose challenges (which they will now, definitely!), they will go into the merge with 2 against the Rotu’s 8. The Rotu group will have had that much more time to bond, and it will make their having to vote someone out that much harder. That will be more interesting, IMHO.

I thought the raft-building challenge was very telling. Rotu got right to it, drawing a picture in the sand, and getting organized, working together and actually doing it, while the Mara-Morons were walking around like bumbling idiots, throwing the bamboo in the water and taking breaks.

I think poor Gina is next up on the chopping block, and Vecepia (sp?) is probably next. Rob and Sean are a couple of first-class idjits.

What a moron.

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I didn’t intend to lay the entire blame at Hunter’s feet. What I meant was that Hunter was trained to work within a team and undoubtedly had the leadership skills to lead a team. You are correct that the team has to want to be lead, but Hunter should have motivated them to work together.

Who started the “morning show”? Getting everyone laughing together and participating is a good way to start a team.

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Speaking of which, did anybody buy Paschal’s “She reminds me of my daughters” line?

Yeah, right Paschal, that’s why you’re trailing Neleh around…

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Hunter was screwed no matter what. If he tried too hard to turn that ragtag bunch of knuckelheads into a team, he would’ve been branded a control freak and booted. Instead he tried to lead and inspire what there was of a team, which wasn’t much, and let his frustration show. Plus apart from Gina, he never did much alliance building, another big no-no. He kinda took the Frank approach: work hard and play honorably and be proud no matter how it turns out.

I still wonder about the switch. If MB let them see the switch episode the night before the game began, their little brains are turning. Do the slackers in Miramax figure it makes no sense to bust a butt on the challenges because the shuffle is going to save them? I think it would be fun to play off that, drop subtle hints, let the cameramen be overheard “mumble mumble switch mumble mumble” and then do nothing. Kinda like how last series Koala Jeff mentioned that “next week is merger week, or is it?”

Another interesting thing is that in last night’s reward challenge, the winners chose comfort over food. Supposedly the big change in this version was that they were on their own for food. But it looks like papayas, grapefruit, and seafood is pretty available. I wonder how this will play out over time. And by the way, hey Sean, I’d eat raw fish any day over my own doo-doo.

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Yes. That’s a point I meant to make. You vote out the weak members first, and only start to pick off the strong ones once your team is locked in to the final stretch. Didn’t these bozos even watch the previous shows?

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Related to Johnny LA’s comments above about Hunter failing to turn Maraamu into a team, I think that establishing leadership within the Survivor tribes is a very tricky business.

In the military (from whence Hunter came), leadership and a chain of command is both accepted and expected. Not so on Survivor. Everyone’s jockeying for the strongest position, because everyone knows that their tenure could be short-lived.

The more I think about it, it was Hunter’s (apparent) leadership that probably got him cast off. The weaker members wanted to be seen as the leader (even if they were doing jack shit to act like leaders), and Hunter’s perceived leadership position and strength were too big a threat to those who had done nothing to establish themselves as anything other than useless.

It’s a difficult dynamic to establish, since the team needs to act as such in order to win challanges but to show too much obvious leadership seems to engender resentment and early ousting. Think about the nasty remarks made about Tricia at the Tribal Council where she was voted off. Tricia made too much of an effort to organise things, and the lazy peeps decided they could do without it. It’s a fine line to walk, to get people on the same agenda without rousing their ire.

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Not last season. The final 4 - Lex, Ethan, Tom, and granny Kim all were from the stronger tribe. Silas was toast quickly. Tho Frank and T lasted longer than they would have without a merger, they went down nonetheless.

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I’ve had an odd realization lately: The more of these sequels I see, the more respect I have for Richard Hatch. That guy understood instantly and instinctively how to play the game, and no one since has played better, even with the benefit of having watched him play.

Richard was definitely the leader of the group, but he managed to lead in such a way that almost nobody realized that he was calling all the shots. He knew just the right tack to take with every member of his alliance. The only one to whom he presented himself as a Leader was Rudy, a man who was used to following orders and being in a heirarchy. With everyone else, he allowed them to think that they were in charge.