Can’t you motherfuckers come up with any new tricks? Or is it your intention to smear the service record of any veteran who disagrees with you? Really, a special section of hell should be established for today’s gutless, despicable Republicans. Those of you who are Republican and do not belong in this group, step up and take back your party. Please.
So…are you disupting the facts alleged in the article, and going to offer some cites to counter them, or is this just another anti-Conservative rant?
PS, I’m a Conservative who thinks Murtha is/was right, BTW, so let’s burn that strawman before it starts being stuffed. I also don’t give a rat’s ass about his status as “war hero” or otherwise; it doesn’t really detract from the facts of his message.
Pardon my ignorance, but is this a right-wing news service? I would also have to say that when something can be cleared up easily by producing records, it would seem that it would be prudent to do so and quiet the critics. Murtha seems to do a lot of dodging on the subject, if the article is at all accurate.
Acording to the article, the principle critic of Murtha is a Pennsylvania Democrat, and has been saying this for decades. How does that make him a “Cocksucking conservative”? And why is it that you find this story objectionable, yet lead the charge to criticize Bush over his record in the National Guard? :dubious:
Even the right wing news report does mention the context of where this is coming from.
But here I see clearly who is pulling our leg:
I then realize that it was politics, Murtha defeated Bailey in a bitter contest; by this time, it is obvious that the voters did not consider Bailey’s charges credible. Only a liar would say that Murtha does not know combat.
On the subject of Purple Hearts: most people think you have to be seriously injured to acquire one. Not so. I knew guys in Vietnam who received scratches and were awarded. It’s not the injury, it’s how it was received that matters. If it’s a result of hostile action, it’s medal time, and the award carries no less honor because of the lack of severity of the wound. If Murtha has been embellishing his injuries, shame on him, but if he was awarded the medals properly, then nobody should be criticizing.
GIGObuster, I know who Murtha is, I was taking issue with Hentor’s characterization of this as some new Republican mud slinging. From that article, this appears to be far from the case here.
I also wonder why Murtha doesn’t just release his service records and end this matter once and for all. If it happened to me, that would be my first more: “Here are the records that prove you’re full of shit, now STFU, asshole.” That article says he refuses to do so.
I used to think so too, Chefguy, until the swiftboat incident went down. At the time, a little independent fact-checking would have shown Kerry’s naysayers to be not only in the wrong but self-contradictory, and I thought it would resolve itself (A nice big :rolleyes: to myself for that stupid assumption). When the swifties succeeded in unjustifiably trashing Kerry’s reputation, I relearned an important lesson about human nature for probably the 17th time in my life. In my darker moments, I believe that when we re-elected Dubya, we got exactly the kind of president we deserved.
I’m suggesting that it is incumbent upon those making such allegations to come up with facts in the first fucking place. This idea that conservatives making such charges were due the benefit of the doubt, or that a wait and see attitude was appropriate, was ass-fucked when the Swiftboaters burned that bridge. They made all the same noise, alleging all the same things, and it all turned out to be false. Show me something or fuck off.
Or do you support the Republican tactic of besmirching veteran’s records without evidence when they disagree with that veteran?
I’ve yet to see any evidence this is an official Republican tactic. Sure, the Swift Boat Veterans were republicans but they weren’t elected officials in the Republican party, their actions weren’t controlled by the RNC and et cetera.
In this particular case a Democrat is a big part of the besmirching, so I fail to see how it is a “Republican tactic.”
As it is, honestly I think people like Murtha and Kerry got what they deserved. I’m a veteran myself and personally I would never use my service record to try and make it appear I’m specially equipped (in preference over civilian politicians) to talk about or debate strategic-level, national military policies. I strongly believe in a civilian government with civilian control of the military. I tend to find it a little distasteful when any veteran starts touting his own personal experience as making him more qualified to talk about some military matter than a civilian. That should never be the case, our country was designed so that civilians had oversight of the military.
And I say this even about politicians who I strongly support, like John McCain for example.
Personally the only time I think it would be acceptable for someone to use their service record in politicis would be if the person was running for office and was a career military officer and didn’t have much else on his resume. Obviously someone like Wesley Clark for example would find it prudent to use his service record as proof that he’s had advanced leadership experience at a very high level.
But at the lower levels of the military where guys like Murtha, McCain, and Kerry served, their experiences really don’t give them any special authority on leading a country or conducting a war. Ask a general like Powell or Clark how much credence they would give to the opinions of a 1st lieutenant or a private on conducting a large scale military operation; the answer would be little to none.
Swiftboating is a good verb. I prefer Clelanded, though. George Bush thinks about maybe looking into going to Vietnam, until he sobers up, and his people have the balls to criticize fucking combat veterans. How am I supposed to have anything but contempt for this president?
And of course, it’s all just a coincidence that these allegations mysteriously pop up after Murtha says something that ruffles the Republican’s feathers and not say, 30 years ago.
The article is the attack. It uses charges from a democratic opponent of Murtha’s, the aide to a deceased GOP Congressman, and a GOP congressional challenger. More importantly, however, it is the product of Marc Morano, of the CNSNews.
So, to which of these people were you singularly referring? Since you suggest there is one person making charges, and since Morano is primarily responsible for this piece, I would say that it was not a DEMOCRAT making the charges, but a CONSERVATIVE AND PRESUMABLY REPUBLICAN HACK.
Or perhaps you think including an attack from a nominal Democrat makes it an act of the Democrats? If so, I would ask you if the Republican convention last year was of the Democrats because Zell Miller delivered an address there?
Well, lets be straight: this is old news, and yes it was a Democrat who first launched the accusations, the conservative BS comes indeed for the timely reheating of same BS when it was confronted before.
Oh yeah, the Choby lost again.
It is clear to me that this [del]reheat[/del] release was timed as an attempt to discredit Murtha since he was interviewed by 60 minutes, and the interview will be aired tomorrow.
No cites but living in Murtha’s district, it may of took this long to go national but it has been discussed in the local paper here at least once in years past.
*And for the record I vote for Murtha, for purely selfish reasons. He has been around a long time and brings scads of pork $ to our area.
