Swordsmanship Weekend in DC

I know there are plenty of Dopers with a more than passing interest in historical and classical swordsmanship out there, many of whom are probably in the DC area. So I thought I’d do youse all a favor and post a heads-up on a really exciting Italian Rapier event that my organization, the Association for Historical Fencing, is organizing. I will almost certainly be there, and will probably direct the tournament. Here’s the skinny:

Weekend of Nicoletto Giganti

Observers will be welcome, especially for the tournament. Hope to see some interested Dopers there!

MR

Damnit. You COULDN’T hold it the second week in October, could you?

Nope. The second week of October is the WMAW – The Western Martial Arts Workshop, to be hosted by the AHF, in New York City. This is the single biggest historical swordsmanship event of the year. There were nearly 150 people at last year’s event, hosted by the AEMMA, in Toronto.

If you can’t come to Giganti, definitely come to WMAW.

MR

Second week in October is when I’m going to be in DC, though.

I might be able to get to Weekend of the Sabre, though, if I juggle some travel plans. On June 9th I’ll be returning to Minnesota from North Carolina; I could take a short jaunt up to Jersey City and fly home from there.

I will definitely be at the sabre event. I just started learning the weapon, so I’m not sure how strong a showing I will make at the tournament.

Let me know how long you will be in town. We should at least do lunch or something.

MR

Grrr…

Maeglin, Now you’re just pissin’ me off…

I’ll not be able to make that Italian Rapier event, and maybe not even WMAW. You posted this just to tease me, didn’t you…?

If you must know, I didn’t have the slightest idea that you were interested in this stuff. :wink: Check out the AHF site to see what events you can make.

MR

Maeglin, could you possibly steer me towards some fencing contacts in the Chicago area? I have had a long interest in the sport but never got around to it. I can’t seem to find any fencing clubs or organizations in the area though I know there are some ( I saw a piece on a Chi fencing club on Wild Chicago).

Thanks, Mike

You could always try your local SCA chapters, as most kingdoms have quite a few fencers, and a lot of activity.

This fencing event sounds like a lot of fun, as I am into duelist style fencing within the SCA here in Florida!

O

Vidi Vici Veni!

Aaauugh…!

Maeglin, you have shown me yet another Association Which I Must Join. Now I must hide from you, lest you do it again. Damn your eyes… :wink:

I’ll be missing all the currently scheduled events. Feces! Dung! (and other very bad words)

I’d love to give you some info on historical/classical fencing in Chi, Mike.

I mean absolutely no offense, Oicu812

But I don’t suggest you fence with the SCA. Please email me if you wish more details.

I do suggest that you get in touch with Mark Rector. He runs the Chicago Swordplay Guild. You may find his contact information here. He doesn’t have a webpage AFAIK, but if you scroll down to the Illinois chapter of the site I linked, you will find his address and phone number. I believe he moved recently, so I don’t know whether the indicated address is current.

Others interested in Historica/Classical fencing resources should view the link as well. It is fairly comprehensive.

MR

Well, Maeg, if nothing else you’ll see me on campus, as I attend school there (here).

I’m betting parts of it wil be in the Pat center, myself. That’s about a 15-minute walk from where I sleep most nights.

If any of y’all dopers want advice on where to stay, eat, etc, you got one of the people involved and one of the people who lives here in here.

I dunno if I wanna learn, but I’ll probably show up for the tournament. :slight_smile:

Well, I won’t be there, as I’m about 3,000 miles away. But I just wanted to say I’ve seen Maeglin’s swords, and they’re mighty impressive. :wink:

[sub]sorry Pucette, had to be said… no offense intended![/sub]

Maeglin- I have been in the SCA for several years now, and I’m curious as to what the problem is other groups have with SCA fencers? I’ll give out some details here, and if you’d rather take it to e-mail, please feel free…
My wife took a college fencing course, and later on we both looked into SCA fencing… there were differences, of course, as locally at least, we’ve got a few people that push for Historical Fencing versus Olympic style.

Of course, I live in West Kingdom, which seems to have the strongest Anti-Fencer bias ever… which sucks, but it’s just one of the problems that needs to be addressed in our Kingdom.

Me, I’m just a big dumb stick jock… I don’t have the patience to learn fencing. Although it is fun, and exciting to watch.

Tristan@gothland.com

Rad! And this old lecher gets to leer at all the college wimmins, too. You might not be happy to see me, but I’ll be happy to be there.

By the way, only the tournament is open to the public. I think I implied earlier that the workshops would be as well. Unless you have a rapier and $100 to spare, just come on Sunday.

Rasa

Speaking of swords, I just picked up an old sabre the other day which belonged to the infamous mobster Frank Ballistierre.

The sabre requires a lot of finesse. In the word of my teacher’s teacher, with a heavy German accent, “ze sabre is ze cruelest veapon. It must be shtudied.”

I can just see this Italian dood in a pinstriped suit standing over my shoulder, chomping on a cigar, saying, “don’t use the Force, use force!”

SCA Fencing

There are some talented fencers in the SCA, to be sure. Many of them have years of competitive training, which usually engenders good instincts and combat reflexes. However, as an institution, SCA fencing has serious problems.

There is no quality control whatsoever. A decent sport fencer can pick up a rapier, read a text or two in translation, and proceed to call himself a master and give Italian rapier lessons. He and his students may score some hits, but this in no way means that they are fencing properly. SCA style is tremendously unorthodox, largely due to the unsystematic way the material is approached and the fact that the instructors are usually ill-informed.

At my Salle, we study it as a martial art. We train hard. We hit hard. And with practice, we fence well and in accordance with the primary texts. Several SCAdians have gravitated to my school over the years. Their initial complaints are always the same: we work too hard and we hit too hard. They fence with us for a few months. They go back to the SCA and eviscerate all of the fencers in their canton, or whatever. They return to us, and usually don’t fence with the SCA anymore.

Most real historical/classical fencing salles have a tradition of pedagogy and weapon mastery that stretches back to the beginning of the 19th century. My fencing master’s master fought duels on German warships, trained some of the greatest fencers in Hollywood (Douglas Fairbanks Sr., Tyrone Power, etc), and even danced with the Metropolitan Opera Ballet ensemble. His master was a French mystic, and one of the greatest warriors in Europe.

As much fun as SCAdians may have, you just can’t beat hundreds of years of tried-and-true pedagogy. Essentially, our teachers know what they are doing.

MR

All right, folks, it’s this weekend. For those who are still interested in attending, see the below information.

Sorry, but no spectators are permitted during the actual seminar. If you have the equipment and you wish to take it, you can register at the door. Spectators are encouraged to come to the tournament, however, which begins on Sunday at 11AM. I don’t have very high expectations of the quality of the fencing, though. None of my school’s really good people will be coming, and I have never really studied the rapier before in my life. :wink: So if you want to watch me make an ass of myself, come one, come all!

I would love to catch lunch or dinner or something on Sunday with those who come. But I am dependent on my teacher for a ride. We shall see. Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

MR

Cool! I’ll be there Sunday. And you know I’m up for either lunch or dinner if you want, hon!

I won’t be sleeping on campus, but I have reserved the family suburban (it’s that or I learn stick) Sunday morning. It’s all of 20 minutes to GMU from my house.