“Nor are Australia’s Muslims responsible for this maniac. All white people aren’t responsible for motorcycle gangs or white supremacist groups. No one has ever asked a white person on television, ‘why don’t you condemn the Aryan Nation?'”
White supremacists support in the US population: fraction or a percent. Probably 1% or so in some European countries.
To sum up, on the one hand, we don’t want the public to panic and start targeting innocent Muslims, and OTOH we need to acknowledge the “new face” of Islamic terrorism is the loner attacks by people with no official affiliation with terrorist groups. Sticky sitch. But, that’s the whole point of terrorism, isn’t it? Fuck with our heads.
We’ll, yeah - but I think the hashtag #IWillRideWithYou is an incredible demonstration by ordinary Aussies that their heads have not successfully been fucked with. Yeah Aussies! Proud that my SO spent 10 remarkable years in your country.
You seem to be confused - are you actually advocating racism against Australian Muslims because twenty percent of Egyptian Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda? You do know that Australian Muslims and Egyptian Muslims are not the same people, right?
And that surveys of popular opinion in Egypt are unlikely to be representative of popular opinion in Australia?
And that it’s counter-productive to be racist against the 69% of Egyptian Muslims who have an unfavorable view of al Qaeda because of the 20% who have a favorable view?
The question was not about being “racist”. The question was about asking for condemnation. Asking for condemnation when support for the group, anywhere, is basically non-existent is silly. Asking for condemnation when support for the group is significant is not.
“Jewish” as any Doper should know, is a race when it’s a race, and a wonderfully rich and diverse collection of all facets of humanity, as needed.
I don’t think anyone is calling for universal condemnation of Muslims. 1% of something usually isn’t a big deal. 13% of a religion comprising something like 1/3 of the earth is significant.
Comparing Muslims living in what are is some cases third world conditions is wrong. If I as a white man was living in poor conditions I would probably support some kind of group promising restoration of my cultures former glory.
The “condemnation” referenced upthread is condemnation of extremists, by members of the “community” they are perceived to be associated with.
Which happens. American and Australian and British Muslims do condemn acts of terrorism perpetrated by Muslims in their countries. With respect to Muslim institutions in Australia and the recent incident, as far as I can tell the condemnation was universal.
By and large, Muslims living in democratic countries of the West appreciate an open and tolerant society, as much as most other of our citizens (some with personal experience of more repressive cultures, perhaps, even more so).
For what it’s worth, though I have never really been held to collective responsibility for the violent and hateful actions of some other white Americans… I do condemn them, too. I have opposed them in writing and in the street.
I really don’t think it’s threadshitting. The newsworthiness (or not) of this event is actually quite an interesting aspect of the event, and one well worth discussing. But I’m not going to discuss it because that would be threadshitting apparently.
Spot on mate, we saw condemnation of this act and ISIS in general from the majority of Muslims, even from the Lakemba mosque which is of the more radical persuasion.
Yep extremists remind us why we need to be not just tolerant but accepting of people.
Well, I’m not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, the Lindt café hostage situation came to a bitter end, but at least the terrorist met sweet justice.
You do know that Australian Muslims and Egyptian Muslims are not the same people, right?