Yeah, I was never convinced that the cloners of Kamino (sp?) would have started work on creating a gi-normous clone army without any payment up front, and then would’ve told Obi-Wan all about it and given the visiting Jedi the dime tour without him showing any authorization for it.
Pretty far-fetched, even for SW.
Yes I need an order for 10 divisions of clone troopers delivered to I. C. Wiener.
One of my biggest disappointments with ROTS was that none of this was really explained. We never find out who *really * ordered the clones, or how they paid for it, or why the Republic was so quick to make an army out of them without investigating things further. And remember the part in AOTC when Jango Fett says he’s never heard of Sypho-Diaz, but took orders from a man named Tyrannus? Everyone seems to think this was Count Dooku, but we’re never told that for sure either.
Come to think of it, I don’t think any of the prequels even bother to fill the viewer in on who the hell the Sith are and what exactly they want revenge for. Sure, we can figure it out from other sources, but that’s a pretty big plot point to leave to the EU. It seems to me that your casual Star Wars viewer might be confused by the omission. Does Lucas just assume that everyone reads the comics, novels, etc., so he didn’t need to bother with tiny details like, say, explaining the main plot of the movies within the actual movies? :dubious:
Yes, we are. Toward the end of AOTC, Dooku lands on Corscant and meets with Darth Sidious. Sidious says something like “You have done well, Lord Tyrannus”
These things all happened at around the same time, the time protrayed in Episode I, based on actual events in the Episode I movie, and things said in the Episode 2 movie:
Darth Maul, Sith apprentice, is killed.
Count Dooku leaves the Jedi order.
The clone army is ordered by “Sifo-Dyas.”
Now, probably Dooku was recruited by Sidious pretty soon after Maul was killed. Since Maul was never a Jedi, he probably could not have fooled the Kaminoans. But Dooku could have. Also, only Dooku could have erased Kamino from the archive. My money’s on Dooku pretending to be Sifo-Dyas for the benefit of the Kaminoans.
Jeez, I already came right out and admitted it! What more do you people need from me?
Well, considering the dark side consists of a grand total of two people at any time, you have a 50% chance of getting it right: Dooku or Palpatine.
Boxtops. Millions of Boxtops.
Well, they did kind of need an army rather quickly. And presumably that’s what Yoda went off to do when he left for Kamino. Considering he was leading them into battle, I’d say he was satified enough for the moment.
Ah, I guess I missed the line about Dooku being Tyrannus. I had always figured he was, but I didn’t remember Palpy stating it outright. Come to think of it, the Jedi should have been able to figure it out too, since Jango Fett 1) claims he works for Tyrannus, and then 2) is next seen in the service of Count Dooku. Hmmm . . . same guy, maybe?
And that’s another reason to agree with the point made by several posters in other threads: the Republic and the Jedi were idiots to just “adopt” the entire clone army no questions asked. All they knew was that the army was ordered by parties unknown using an ex-Jedi’s name, and cloned from Jango Fett, who worked for their arch-enemy, a guy who was himself an ex-Jedi and very likely the Sypho-Diaz-impersonator. So it’s seems pretty easy, even with limited information, to come to the conclusion that the clones and the bad guys were connected in some manner. And since clones can be programmed to do pretty much anything their creator wants (as we see in ROTS), it’s probably a bad idea to take them in without knowing what that programming is.
Ah, the joys of geek deconstruction.
Alas, I’m not quite the fanboy I might be. But where is it alluded to or said that Jango Fett was an ex-Jedi? Frankly I would have expected better hand-to-hand fighting in the second (fifth) movie from a former Jedi. Even if he only went to Jedi Community College and got the equivalent of an AA in Jedi bad-assednessicityism.
Waste
Sorry, I was unclear in my wordage there – “a guy who was himself an ex-Jedi” was in reference to Dooku, not Jango Fett.
That’s cool. I was just thinking that it was quite a stretch to make Fett an ex-Jedi, too.
Well, I could use some help opening this pickle ja … oh.
Sorry.
Hey, that’s just mean! You should apologize immediately and shake hands so there’s no hard feelings.
Oops.
::Shakes fist at…sigh.::
Apparently the Count has learned to type with his toes. And . . . um . . . no head.
Note that Count Dooku was a “Count” on account (ahem) of being a scion of wealthy family whose estate has been accruing interest for 1000 years. This is described in the Episode II Visual Dictionary.
By the end of Episode I, Palpatine has completed Step 2 of his Plan for Galactic Domination (become legally elected Chancellor of the Republic). Step 3 involves being granted temporary dictatorial powers, which he will achieve by manufacturing a threat to the security of the Republic, and for that he needs Dooku.
Dooku was a bit of a Jedi renegade (as was his apprentice, Qui-Gon) who was ripe for the picking by Palpatine. Dooku felt the Jedi Order was becoming ossified, as was the Republic. This attitude played right into Palpatine’s hands, and Palpatine turned Dooku to the Dark Side.
Palpatine then gave Dooku these orders*:
So the Separatists attack, Palpatine is granted special dictatorial powers in order to respond. Palpy serendipitously “discovers” a ready-made army, and its on.
Thus ends Attack of the Clones and Step 3 of the Plan for Galactic Domination. Steps 4 (annhiliate your only remaining opposition, the Jedi) and 5 (use your political capital from saving the Republic to make your temporary dictatorial powers permanent) are covered in Revenge of the Sith. Step 6 (disband the Senate and rule forever through fear of your uberweapon, the Death Star) was cut short due to criminally poor design of the uberweapon, most notably the presence of a bottomless pit in the Imperial Office, and lack of railings around said pit. Bummer.
*Keep in mind, of course, that all a Sith Lord needs is for a potential recruit to swear allegiance to the Dark Side. Once the recruit kneels before you its all over–they are putty in your hands. Dooku and Anakin both discovered this much to their dismay. “You DON’T know the power of the Dark Side. I MUST obey my master.”