Per capita is everything. If the population of Sweden kills 20 people while John Bloggs of 4 Park Avenue kills 10 people, which would you say is more dangerous, Swedish people or John Bloggs?
Even according to your own cite, 10 times more right-wingers only kill 7 times more people in terrorist attacks than Muslims. Even if I just take it as a given that your cite is accurate, you are still saying Muslims kill 50% more people in terrorist attacks than right-wingers.
Swedish people.
Got a source for your claims?
I simply provided actual data, easily searched… rather than invented.
But no, with small set of incidents you simply are demostrating a very poor grasp of statistics and a clear desire from political and religious prejudice to justify Belief - playing invention and definitional games.
If intolerance of an incompatible ideology is bigoted why do the Dems constantly rant incoherently about Republicans on this board? Seems intellectually dishonest to preach acceptance and tolerance to a dangerous ideology while working feverishly to demonize a political competitor. Which is the main clue. The left feels they can exploit the situation for political purposes and is willing to turn a blind eye.
People in the so-called progressive left are going to be sad when the strength of political Islam grows in the west.
I have no idea what you are ranting about, I am not american nor even leftist.
but it is easy to recognize a incompetent understanding of the statistics and biased playing with definitions.
Just because they are terrorists does not mean that they are amateurs, most are well trained possibly in Pakistan or Helmand Provence in Afgan. They are very good at blending in
Number of people killed in the latest round of deadly terrorist attacks by Syrian refugees:
Zero
So the fact that there’s no evidence of terrorists is evidence of terrorists.
There’s plenty of Muslims with all kinds of beliefs already here in Europe. There’s plenty of Muslims entering Europe from routes other than Syria every day. In fact, if you think about it, what sort of cockamamie operation would the terrorist group be conducting if they can’t even manage to scrounge up enough for plane fare and some sort of job expecting the fifth columnist? Why go through the convoluted system of placing their people in lousy refugee camps?
Let’s call a spade a spade. Some people don’t want refugees, and any excuse is good enough.
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There’s two issues brought up here. One is fake, one is dangerously real. Can we please not conflate the two?
No, it is extremely unlikely that jihadist killers are coming in through the refugees. These people are fleeing a war brought on largely by Islamist terrorists; if anyone is unlikely to get on board, it’s them.
Yes, if these refugees do not intend to assimilate, then we have a problem. And this is the real threat here.
Also, @running coach, do you seriously mean to tell me that if you could be placed in a room with a random Swedish citizen or John Bloggs, you’d take John Bloggs? You’ve completely missed the point. Per capita matters. If population A murders 10,000 people and population B murders 100 people, the fact that population A is millions of times the size of population B is extremely relevant.
it seems clear he was mocking a person making silly statements showing gross ignorance of statistics (or gross bias, or both).
of course a confirmed individual is not the same as a population, it does not even make sense as a example (and the choice shows a gross bias and illiteracy of course in being unable to distinguish between the idea of an indiviudal with a confirmed record and the comparison of populations and risk)
the comparison of two undefined populations based on a small sample size, and where one has a large standard deviation does not tell you anything very useful in any objective sense. What prejudiced and bigotted persons can conclude based on their pre existing search for confirmation, another issue
That is one of the most agenda-driven pieces of irresponsible nonsense that I’ve encountered in some time. :rolleyes:
No, this is one of those cases where per capita doesn’t matter. We are not weighing whether to let in more Muslims or more white militia types. Besides, in your John Bloggs example, you might say John Bloggs is more dangerous than the average Swedish person but as a country you’d rather have John Bloggs as a citizen than Swedes as neighbors.
We rant incoherently about certain Muslim cultural practices too, so I’m not sure what your point is. We haven’t proposed a ban on Republicans entering the country.
as a reminder he said american muslim and not general muslim (not that I think there is any rigorous thinking…), so of the data I provided some should be deducted I believe. in any case, it is bad and incoherent statistics given a small population of data and it would take only one or two double digit events to make even the per-capita idea false on his own asserted basis.
And if they don’t want to “assimilate”, couldn’t that simply be taken to mean they want to go home?
If they did want to assimilate (I am not taking a position on whether they do or not, since I neither know nor care), the right wing would be demanding to know why they expect to stay long term when they’re only here while there’s a war on.
Because
a) targeting large groups of people for enhanced scrutiny by law enforcement based solely on their religious affiliation is inherently against the values of our country (USA).
b) Republicans seem to scream “tolerance” when it comes to their “right” to be intolerant of other people.
I think the non-republicans on this board argue against the intolerance of all the Muslims based on the extremists, I have not seen arguments to ‘tolerate’ the DAESH or the similar… So it is in fact “intellectually dishonest” to pretend you are not targetting all persons of a religion when the statements “to preach acceptance and tolerance to a dangerous ideology” indicate otherwise.
So in fact his statement is revealing much about the manner of thinking… in fact it shows the effect of thinking the other is thinking like you.
Yes and its becoming a regular occurrence in the U.K. and also reports from Northern Europe.
A TV interview this week from the Jungle Calais the interviewer was told that there are a few members of ISIS in there and they had a great deal of support.
I do not know how much reporting on Europe you get in America, in the U.K. it is a major topic
Yes, we’re aware Europe exists. And you don’t seem to understand the question I’m asking you.
I’m not asking you if people are saying that terrorists are hiding among the refugees. I’m asking if anyone has found a terrorist hiding among the refugees.
Don’t confuse rumors with facts.