N4S and I have “buried the hatchet” as it were.
So, I will not comment further on what she says.
In any case, it is a waste of time. She and I have had extensive conversations in the Pit and it pretty much comes to no end.
All I can say is that trying to convince her of your point of view is a waste of time.
“Don’t try to teach a pig to sing, son… It pisses you off and annoys the pig.”
And that’s all I have to say about that.
N4S has a denseness to outside reason rivaled only by my own.
Let’s put it this way:
Light bends around you both.
The speed of sound approaches that of light when traveling through you.
You have been featured on several episodes of Star Trek and referred to as “an anomoly in the space time continuum”.
Lexicon,
Point taken, gathered, analyzed and hashed over…
:: zips up fire retardant bunny suit: ::
Not to stir anything up, I’d just like to clear something up. Looking back on it, I think I was too flip when I posted the ‘dippymonger’ comment to this thread. I didn’t neccasarily mean that Jally=Dippy. But I still do think that they could have been twins.
Now, I am ‘newbie’. And I have much sympathy for newer-bies than myself when they make a big board faux-paus. But there is a difference between making a mistake and intentionally being annoying. Thus the ‘dippymonger’ comment.
Both Jally and Dippy seem to have this attitude of, “I asked you a question, now answer it they way I want you to.”. To the best of my knowledge, SDMB doesn’t work that way. You places you bets and you takes you chances here.
That’s what makes this place great, the free exchange of thoughts and opinions. If that is not what Jally wants, then this must not be the right MB for her.
And while it may be petty and childish, I have a problem with people coming here and immediately fussing about the management. That is another thing Jally and Dippy have in common. Both of them seem to have something against the mods, the rules and manny in particular. They both intentionally annoyed manny by reposting closed threads, posting threads in GQ to complain about manny’s mod skills and just basically pushing manny’s buttons. Its as if a stranger walked into your home and started trying to rearrange the furniture and complaining about your husband’s looks. You just don’t do that.
I know,“If you dont like it, dont read it.” And that’s fine. I didn’t actively seek out Jally’s posts just to complain about them. I simply ran across them as I read the board.
So, I’d like to appoligise for the flip comment, but the sentiment still stands. Jally is not, IMHO, behaving in a mature and reasonable way here, and I don’t like it. She is demanding and petulant, traits that I believe dont jive with the general atmosphere here.
So set my fuzzy little cotton tail ablaze if you want. I haven’t been flamed yet, and I know it has to happen sometime. Just remember I didn’t use the ‘f’ word even once here. 
You said:
Thank you my dear, you said all I was trying to say all along in one short snipit.
I am off to bed now, but if anyone flames you for that last post then fuck em.
Everyone else -------------
Opinions are opinions. We each have our own.
I have had my disagreements with those I am now friends with, I have had my disagreements with those I care about like my own kin on the boards…but the thing that it come down to for me is:
Look, unless I come right out and call you an asshole, a dick, a bitch or other flaming, Pitlike material I am merely pulling you to the side to give you some advise. Otherwise I have a serious beef with you.
To that I will add, I have flamed a few in the past and now we are seemingly on an upswing from the darkest and deepest parts of this thing we call The Pit.
I think a little criticism is part of life…I didn’t flame in this post I pointed out errors in a members posts.
If people are that sensitive over a mild post like this I would hate to think what would have happened if the shit really hit the fan.
Sheesh.
What are you apologizing for? I take nothing personally here. I have never been that strong a believer in the reality of reality, and everything here is so much more, um, don’t take this wrong, imaginary. Okay, I’ll admit to moments of worrying about some of you people as if you were real, but those are the exceptions. Thus my readiness to hurt people’s feelings (because they aren’t “real”) but quickness to grovel and scrape when I do (because they really are real and I feel bad for being mean).
OTOH, my RL personna is just like my virtual self. Which can be good or bad, depending. Just don’t take anything I say too seriously, except for nice stuff and when I express concern. Yeah, I’m a massive worrier, even about people I don’t hardly know.
One thing, though. When I tell somebody I don’t like what they do it is part of the give and take of reaching a compromise. I expect to give as well as take and I don’t assume everybody will want to compromise. I try not to force anybody to do anything because I don’t believe in absolutism. However, since this is my imaginary universe I am obviously right. 
But I do prefer it when you are the nice techchick and not throwing shit into fans.
Well gee golly I’ll just say what I said about 15 posts ago…
Which was my way of wiping my hands of all this.
Lexicon. Freakfeely. Byz. If sticking to my opinions makes me dense, then fine. If standing up for what I believe in makes me hard-headed, than wonderful, because these are qualities I admire in other people, and I like to think that I have them myself. (It kind of goes with my whole lawyer/advocate/save the world vibe). I am obviously willing to admit my mistakes and apologize, as I have done several times in the past at this board. Lemme see, five times the entire 6 months I have been here. Should I build a goddamn chapel to all that is straight dope and worship before it every fucking day and every night? As I said, hard-headed is fine by me, but I don’t think it defines me completely, as evidenced by my other posts.
Lexicon, I thought you were capable of doing the same, but apparently not, as your presense here indicates. I guess I can add another enemy to my short list - quicksilver and johnnyharvard also flamed me for not seeing things from their perfect ahemLOL* point of view.
I am NOT going to back down when I think something is wrong, and I think this thread is wrong.
Spoofe - I didn’t my any means flame techchick or anyone else. I have never actually flamed anyone. I am waiting until I get really pissed off.
One more thing:
The shit has hit the fan, clearly you have not read many of my posts in the past. I don’t mind when someone gets really pissed and flames away. But when someone covers it up with fake sincere honesty and helpfulness, it makes me want to vomit.
Let’s all just agree to disagree. OK? Fine by me.
Oh fer God’s sake Nacho…
You don’t mind when people get really pissed and flame? Oh geez, you are a winner aren’t you. You think I did this out of something other than I stated?
[sarcasm]Please continue to read into posts things that aren’t there.[/sarcasm] It just shows you are an overly sensitive person.
I don’t mind disagreeing with anyone, but when they sit on their thrones and put words or intentions in my posts that aren’t there, then I have a problem.
The shit didn’t hit the fan until you decided to make it your mission to try to prove I brought this up for other reasons than I stated. I realize you are a college age kid but there are other college age kids in here (and some that are younger) that don’t go on and on and on about shit that isn’t even there.
Perhaps as you grow older and wiser you will understand that not everyone is out to get everyone else.
Nacho, time for you to grow up and realize you are the person here that took this to the level of shit and fan. I remained calm through your posts.
Run along now and go tell your girlfriends how evil and nasty I am. But remember that not everyone posts such topics is hiding behind something false.
< here’s a barf bag for you > :rolleyes:
I forgot to add:
This from a girl where I added some calm advice during the middle of her I hate men thread where she was getting flamed left and right. Oh and if I remember correctly, she was what I would consider a newbie at the time.
I guess my sincerity only applies when Nacho feels it is appropriate; next to God, there’s only Nacho to determine such things.
I’d like to state for the record that I’ve seen techie flame. This was NOT a flame. Yeesh.
And please, Nacho. Jally’s an idiot, and yes, he WAS out of line. Yelling at people for posting to a thread? Last I checked, this was a PUBLIC message board. He doesn’t like it, the door is right over there. I suggest he use it.
And tech…yer correct, Nacho is the only arbiter of what’s right and sincere. In that thread, Santi and I gave the SAME advice. But apparently mine was okay, and his wasn’t. Go figure. shrug
I wasn’t referring to THIS thread, braintrust. I was referring to the two other times I have encountered stupid flame wars. But HEY! Good job doing exactly what you accused me of!
And HEY! You were born first? Score! I don’t care if you think I am immature. I think you are silly, trivial, over-sensitive, and self-righteous. And I don’t think everyone is out to get everyone else, but I do think you are.
Sorry, you do not remember correctly. That was two months ago; I had 400 posts. Of course, I am not able to devote the time you do to the board because I have a job and friends (you might try that sometime) but I am by no means a newbie and was not then.
And I appreciate your help. I know I said that about two thousand times. I sympathized with you when the whole Mike thing happened too. Guess we are both martyrs, huh?
Don’t want to deflate your ego here, tech, but I don’t care enough about you of your stupidity to waste time discussing it. This board is NOT my entire life. Hey! Might wanna try that concept on too sometime.
Nacho4Sara – a cautionary tale. Do not put words in my mouth. I did not call you dense or anything else. I simply pointed out the obvious. You wondered who she was to admonish anyone and I pointed out that you, are in fact, admonishing her.
I did not flame you, slam you or anything else.
Again, be very careful about putting words in my mouth. Because if push comes to shove I will gladly put your entire head in there and bite down and chew and then spit the gore across the room to watch it slide down the wall.
Your choice.
Ah, but you did quote me before hand:
techchick:
Nacho4Sara:
Let’s see 1+1=2, Let’s quote someone else then state "The shit as hit the fan,… Come on Nacho, how the hell can anyone read that and not make a connection between the two? You said “The shit has hit the fan” if you wanted to make a non-connection please, next time provide us with a link so we know exactly what you are saying. Or, should I read your mind as you apparently have done with me. Please let me know if I can take classes for this ESP thing you have, I sure would like to know.
Well, let’s see, that statement might be construed to include about 200 posters on this board. Hmmm, my job entails the internet, and I clearly admit to having a few good friends. Nacho, I don’t need to spend all my time with friends to feel secure in my being.
Then she states it again for emphasis.
If you don’t care then I assume your mission here is to have the last word. Or what are your intentions here Nacho?
Please let me know. You have run around this thread whining and harping over non-issues so I don’t understand what you are getting at.
Oh. My. God.
Sorry to step into this, but I cannot BELIEVE that I just spent 30 fucking minutes following all of this. Please help me ensure that I have this straight:
[list=1]
[li]Jally joined the SDMB and made some thoughtful (or at least not thoughtless) posts.[/li][li]Jally began attacking the concept, management, feature set, administration, and structure of the SDMB. Managing, along the way, to attack other Dopers both directly and indirectly.[/li][li]Jally is warned (actually 3 times by my count) by TPTB.[/li][li]TC starts this thread to say, in effect, “Chill the fuck out”.[/li][li]N4S and TC start a complete cat fight that hasn’t ended yet.[/li][/list=1]
That about wrap it up?
grem
sigh Now I remember why I wanted to leave this board.
Falcon - WTF? You know I adore you. When you were going through a rough time, I gave you a hug and told you how wonderful I think you are. I don’t get to talk to you much but you are one of my favorite posters. I was looking forward to meeting you and RTF more than any other posters.
But thanks for insulting me. Appreciate it. I guess I know who my friends are.
Tech - I am not trying to have the last word. But everytime you insult or attack me, I am going to bite back. It’s called debating, and my debate team instructor happens to like that method. Is that alright by you?
Byz - not scared. Really. I don’t know you at all, except for that touching and emotional boob contest thread you were involved in a while back, but whatever. If you do a little research you will find that I don’t care whether or not anyone likes me, and I will not stoop low enough to answer someone who says, “I have no experiance with Nacho but I really hate her! Phewy! Your head is full of brick!” and flips their nose at me. That’s about as childish as this thread, but unfortunatly, it happens way too often here.
Well, whatever. I am done with this thread. The 5000+ posters with no lives whatsoever who can only find joy in insulting others and knocking others down to inflate their post counts and make themselves feel superior can have their own fucking party here. Byz - flame me all you want. I wash my hands of you all.
I have grown annoyed.
Tech and Sara, you two really piss each other off. No big revelation there; this has been going on as long as I have known you and will probably continue. I am not naive enough to think that “all you have to do is make a SPECIAL effort” and you will get along. Instead, I will offer a bit of advice.
As you may have gathered, I’m real prone to pissing people off. In addition, some of my friends’ social skills are minimal (they’re jerks). So I have a lot of experience avoiding certain topics to maintain friendships. However, I don’t think this will work with you two, at least right now. May I suggest you try ignoring each other? It will be SO much better for your blood pressure and you both will be able to continue with the board.
May I also suggest you try avoiding the Pit? I know you are both far more fully-fledged Pitizens than I am, but that may be a negative. You may be losing the ability to maintain your distance from the discussion. You might be starting to take everything WAY too personally.
There is no rule that says all Dopers must get along. You don’t and that is that. Ignore each other and be happier.
Nacho - I called you on the fact that Lex and I gave the same advice back in that thread. I was merely restating it.
Also, I refuse to not call 'em like I see 'em for anyone. I think you’re wrong here. Do I not say something because you’re my friend and gave me a hug? I’m sorry…I can’t work that way. And if that upsets you, I’m sorry.
My point is that I wish you two weren’t fighting FOR NO GOOD REASON WHATSOEVER! You are arguing over a thread STARTED BY SOMEONE ELSE, ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE! Is that worth it?
Ye gods and little fishes.
Shit4Brains, this is NOT a debate. A debate is a structured arguement with a clear point. This is a mud throwing contest. Biting back with insults is NOT debating. If you don’t understand that concept, wonder on over to GD (There are a few good ones over there, though none of them follow the general structure of any debate), or I’ll email you the rules. You are probably thinking of Lincoln-Douglas, which is the absolute closest thing to a “debate” this thread comes to. And even that is off by a long-shot. If this is what you think debating is, I’m very disappointed in your teacher, obviously he/she is more of an imbecile than you.
Now I remember why I was so excited when you did decide to leave, and why I was so disappointed when you came back.