Maybe even racist? He hasn’t let a day go by in years without raging about how the “Fucking niggers and Beaners” are ruining the country. How if we just rounded them up and shipped them out of the country there would be no more crime. He also says “Any nigger caught committing a crime should be executed”. That’s a hell of a lot more than politically incorrect. He has also told his oldest son that he should kill himself because he is gay. This after he spent several years trying to beat the “gay” out of him.
I can assure you I am not jumping to the wrong conclusions or exaggerating about my own brother I have known for 45 years. The loaded guns are not locked up as they may need them to defend themselves any moment. What with the feds breathing down their throats. :rolleyes: He is not welcome to any of our homes because he insists on bringing his guns with him.
No the child does not wear protective eye or ear wear because that’s just for sissies. He is starting with a small handgun which he helps the child hold and fire. He then leaves this gun laying around the house loaded.
I need to clarify. I don’t have a problem with ten year olds learning gun safety. But I’m a father of a 4 year old, and I know the capabilities of children that age.
To give a child of that age a loaded gun is reckless endangerment in my mind. The only defense would be that the adult didn’t know any better.
I don’t think arrested or institutionalized are that out of bounds.
How acessible are they? Where are they laying? I don’t believe that guns have to be locked up to be out of reach of supervised 3 year olds. Definitely out of reach of course.
Beating kids because their gay and not using hearing protection is extremely cruel and irresposible.
The insistence of no hearing protection is reason enough to call CPS if true.
PETA and other animal rights nutcases want to harm me because of my culture. They also want to harm Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics because of their culture. They are cut of the same cloth AFAIC. These type of elitists (bigots) populate both sides of the political spectrum. They have no respect for freedom or culture AFAIC.
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I need to clarify. I don’t have a problem with ten year olds learning gun safety. But I’m a father of a 4 year old, and I know the capabilities of children that age.
To give a child of that age a loaded gun is reckless endangerment in my mind. The only defense would be that the adult didn’t know any better.
I don’t think arrested or institutionalized are that out of bounds.
Totally agree. Hell, I’m nervous around adults who are shooting a handgun for the first time.
We have three children, and are using the following as a guide:
7 years old: Learn gun safety
8 years old: Learn how to shoot a rifle
9 years old: Can shoot rifle with supervision
11 years old: Can shoot rifle without supervision
14 years old: Learn how to shoot a handgun
16 years old: Can shoot handgun with supervision
18 years old: Can shoot handgun without supervision
The above is just a rough guide, and can certainly be modified depending on the maturity of the child.
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I am not anti gun if that is what anyone thinks. MR.Toy and I own 5 ourselves. Mr. Toy is an avid hunter. But what I find so wrong is the age of the child being trained and just assuming he will never touch a loaded gun lying around because you said “no! no!”. Hell 3 year-olds can’t figure out that pulling the cats tail gets you scratched let alone what a gun can do.
Sure, but a 3-year-old is also going to try to learn that lesson via experience, and we know what can happen with one gun experience.
As has been said before, age-appropriate gun safety with a 3-4 year old would consist pretty much of keeping it locked away, unloaded, and telling the kid that they should not touch it.
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I think it’s interesting that some seem to be missing the part where the grandfather of the three year-old isn’t just trying to teach the toddler about firearms safety; he’s attempting to teach the kid how to shoot people.
I’m not against teaching older kids (starting at age, say, 14) how to handle firearms with supervision. However, I find the idea of a loaded, unsecured gun being in the same house as a toddler very disturbing & even that concern is trumped by my worry that someone is teaching a child - someone who doesn’t understand the ramifications of shooting another human being - how to shoot human beings.
I think I failed to make my point clear, even after all that. The gist of it is this: Even if the guns were safely locked away when not in use & even if the child were wearing hearing protection whilst practicing shooting with his grandfather, I’d still be screaming bloody murder (heh) because a child is being taught to use guns against certain people.
What have you let them shoot , one of those Walther 9mm james bond guns ? or the 22 revolver , I realize your speaking of older children, but what would you start them off on ?
Until children are old enough to handle the responsibility (and we can discuss for ages when that is), all they need to know about firearms is what they need to know about power tools, electrical installations and poisonous chemicals: It’s dangerous, it’s not for you, keep away. I’ve never heard anyone advocate letting children use, say, a rotary saw to let them get a deeper understanding of the function and dangers involved.
3 years old ? The kid only needs to know that guns are not for him.
Show me a point where someone said that this particular guy was attempting to teach gun safety? A couple of us have said that if he were teaching gun safety, that wouldn’t be a problem, but that what is happening here is clearly wrong, stupid, and bound to get someone hurt or killed.
Fourteen is two years too late in a lot of places. Kids can begin hunting at age 12, using firearms, as long as they are supervised in Pennsylvania.
If it wasn’t a pellet gun or an air rifle, probably a .22 revolver. Preferably single action only.
And how many parents put the Lysol or the Draino in a vault even though those things are quite deadly to little kids who drink them? They’re usually kept in one place, fairly inaccessible to the kid, and the kid is taught not to go in there and watched to make sure he/she doesn’t.
Nah, grandmasix let me use the circular saw under her supervision around 4 or 5 years old to cut up scrap wood because I thought the thing was neat-o.
My learning at that age was something like ‘Those things in that cabinet are not your toys. They belong to dadsix, and you are not to play with them. You have toys. You do not play with someone else’s things.’
Then when dadsix would go hunting and bring home the dead game, he would show me where he had shot it, what the bullet hole looked like, what the exit wound looked like, and let me hold the gun he used. I don’t know what exactly my young brain thought at that time, but I’d guess it was that I didn’t want any of those holes in myself.
I’ve got a three-year-old boy.
He’ll learn gun safety…someday. He already knows the ‘no-touchy’ rule if you see anything that looks like a gun.
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Jeez, my boy already is learning tool safety. He knows to stay well back when I’m running a power-tool. He’s got a plastic tool-kit from Home Depot. He voluntarily wears his safety goggles when he “runs” his toy drill! (no moving parts!) He even scolded me when I entered his room when he was “drilling” because I wasn’t wearing my safety glasses.
/slight proud-papa hijack/
A Smith and Wesson Model 34. A small framed, steel .22LR. Explain how it’s dangerous and how it should handled before, after, and during shooting. See if they can hold it unloaded and explain sighting and trigger pull (when to put your finger inside the trigger gaurd too). With ear protection on (and eyes, but especially ear protection) and them in front of me, I hand them gun loaded with one round and cocked with my thumb between the hammer and frame and hold on to it and explain everything again and then let them shoot. Followed by a lot of praise. I demonstrate what we’re going to do first as well.
