Lame excuse and kinda surprised you’re defending the practice. I don’t mean to single you out, but this could be one reason why Hillary Clinton can’t seem to stay above 45-47% in the polls for very long.
I don’t think you have read this carefully, nor bothered to think it through. I am calling Senior Independents, not Young Hipsters. Vietnam vets. They don’t like Communists. Period. They like Communists even more.than you don’t like this line of argument.
Goal is to get votes for your team, suppress for theirs. Gotta do both.
Interested to see what you’re doing, Asahi, beyond the confines of this message board. That’s what this thread is for, btw.
I wouldn’t mention Trump’s wives, either. Seems low-road to me.
I’ll be phonebanking two hours tonight for Hillary in Cleveland. (I just realized I first phonebanked 30 years ago, in an Ohio gubernatorial race). I’ll do more phonebanking in the next few weeks, and probably some GOTV/door-knocking too. Latest polls show Trump up in Ohio, but I think it’s definitely winnable for Clinton/Kaine. And win we must.
No, what you’re doing is exactly what people have criticized Trump for. You’re spreading a message of half-truths and fear, not a positive message of working together for a better country. You may see this as a great effort for the Democratic cause, but it may well work out that you’re driving more people away from Hillary.
Congrats, you’ve managed to alienate a voter in an entirely different state by saying things like that. You know, I was married to a woman born and raised a ‘commie’ too. I’ve dated and gotten to know a number of people who where Communists, all of whom were decent people. Had someone called me and said that to me I’d have ripped them a new one.
And people wonder why undecided people don’t like Hillary, it’s because of some of her supporters. We know Trump is half crazy, but that’s him going after Bill, her supporters should be taking the high road, not being like him.
So is my father, and I can hear his laugh right now if someone were to call him and say something like you did.
I was torn between Johnson and Clinton, but hearing this kind of thing really pushes me toward Johnson.
If I find a Johnson supporter who is a total asshole, would that push you back? Or maybe the behavior of a few supporters, when it has nothing to do with anything the candidate has said, shouldn’t affect your vote in any way?
THIS is how you pick your candidate? <scratches head> And your reasoning would be…what?
He is someone who is working for her campaign, or at least giving the illusion that he is working for her. If you can find someone working on the Johnson campaign doing that kind of BS I’ll just go back to voting for Foghorn Leghorn.
At the local Dem HQ last night, I worked my way through a phone list of already-identified Dems for almost two hours, trying to recruit other volunteers. Didn’t succeed, but left a lot of pro-Hillary voicemail messages and spoke to some nice old folks who don’t get out much anymore. Also, Howard Dean, in town for the day as a pro-Hillary surrogate, visited the campaign office and took selfies with the other volunteers; we spoke briefly. My wife is from Vermont and he knows her and her parents; his face lit right up when I mentioned them.
I’m now signed up for more phonebanking and two lit drops between now and Nov. 8.
Wouldn’t it be better to ignore random internet people who may or may not be working for campaigns, and base your vote on what candidates say and do?
Did you also scratch your head when learning that the OP seeks to convince people to pick their candidates based on the national origin of his wife?
In other words, if the tactic, “Don’t for vote Donald because his wife was born in an Eastern Bloc country,” is one that works, why wouldn’t “Don’t vote for Hillary because her campaign workers are bigots,” also work?
Of all the reasons Trump offers to vote for Clinton, you’re basing your vote on what someone, not connected to the campaign, said on the phone? Trump will certainly appreciate that.
If you’re considering voting third party, you’ve already rejected the conventional reasons for voting–i.e., to try to put the more qualified person in power.
At that point, you’re probably voting because of how it makes you feel or because you want to signal something to your Facebook friends. From that perspective, I’m not sure voting based on some campaign volunteer being an idiot is really an objectively better or worse reason than voting based on what the candidates say and do.
I get the feeling that every vote Johnson gets puts a big smile on Trump’s face.
First, do no harm.
As for me? I’m teaching students about the election in the most neutral yet informative way I can. I’m inviting discussions of what students hear, and I’m encouraging them to encourage their parents to vote.
What I’m not doing is contributing to a further degradation of our political sphere by feeding bigotry with half-truths and nasty innuendo. Anyone doing that? I’d far rather them shut up and stop harming our country than have them engaged in misguided attempts to help.
I am never less convinced by an argument than when it consists of “See this bad thing the other guy does? I’m going to do exactly the same thing!”
Just saying, for this voter, on the laundry list of reasons not to vote for Trump, the locations of his wives’ birth is pretty much at the bottom.
Gentlemen,
Let’s get the argument back to the tales of the ground game. There’s certainly space for discussing how one should make the argument, but I think this thread would be best for hearing about life on the ground right now.
The main event for volunteering this year for me will be doing election protection work as a lawyer (and prepping for that work). I’ve been in the field for some previous cycles but this year I’ll be in the war room. Should be interesting, and hopefully completely unnecessary.