Idiots.
The same idiots.
Short, eh? That explains a lot. I hope he stood close to the urinal.
It appears the answer to both questions is “supporters”. Cite. Johnny Cochrane and a person named Earl Graves Jr. helped him pay off Pagones.
Regards,
Shodan
A grand jury found that she was beaten and raped.
Cite?
Her druggie ‘friends’ perhaps. Police officers were accused, but I suspect they were not in involved in this case. It’s possible she was set up by her ‘friends’ to tell this story. She was a pretty stupid 15 year old girl, she would not have been able to name police officers and the assistant DA based on her own experiences, somebody gave her the names.
In addition, she defaulted in the slander trial, she was out of state by then and did not want to return. I believe she had good reason to think she would face criminal charges and violence if she returned to New York to defend herself in court. She had no means to pay a lawyer, and I doubt any representation she had at that trial was actually representing her interests.
What kind of judge allows a defendent in a civil case to default when the defendent is a minor, out of state, victim of a crime, and afraid to return to the state to defend herself?
When are you going to back up all these allegations with facts? What is your source for all this?
Well, he does have a show on MSNBC. Unfortunately.
Which grand jury was that?
The New York State Grand Jury doesn’t agree with you (from the Wiki link)
ETA: damn you! Shakes fist.
I lived and worked in the area of the Bradley case when it was going on. When it first started as a local news story, the story was a local teenager was kidnapped and raped. Bradley said she had been raped by a group of white men and one of them had said he was a cop. Most people obviously thought it was a terrible event but basically believed her and nobody expected it to become a national new story.
But inconsistencies began turning up. Bradley changed details of her story. At this point, I think most people still assumed a crime had occurred however and just wrote off the inconsistencies to trauma. The story was becoming more publicized and this was when black “leaders” entered the picture.
The big divide came when the authorities announced they couldn’t find evidence that any crime had actually occurred. This was when some people said that Brawley had made the story up and other people said that the authorities were covering up for the people who committed the crime and who were presumably police.
The more moderate supporters of Brawley at this point were looking over the evidence and deciding this was not a incident they wanted to stake their reputation on. They began to back away from the case. The more radical people - like Sharpton and Maddox and Mason - just doubled down. They were claiming that there was a massive conspiracy at work and anyone who claimed there wasn’t a conspiracy must be a part of the conspiracy.
Things got pretty stupid. New accusations kept being made and the police, under political pressure to demonstrate they were not engaged in any cover-up, were investigating every accusation no matter how flimsy it seemed.
And that’s how I became a suspect. At the time, I was working in a prison and one of the prisoners wrote a letter to a reporter in which he claimed that he had overheard a bunch of guards talking about how they had raped Tawana Bradley. As I said, the police at this point were following up on any accusation so they came to the prison and interviewed the prisoner (whose story was as weak as it sounded), other prisoners who would have been in the area where he claimed to have heard this (but who did not corroborate his story), and those of us who worked in that area (none of us, of course, had any involvement with the incident).
They found her story about who raped her and beat her was false. They found that the motive for her fabrication was rape and beatings from her friends and her family.
Again-cite? Where the hell are you getting this?
The state did not turn against Brawley. I’ll agree her family and friends were a fucked up crowd and they weren’t helping her any. But when Brawley made her initial accusations, the government immediately took action and investigating the allegations. The government did its job in protecting Brawley. And there were no political forces “against” her at this point - everyone’s initial assumption was that she was telling the truth and had been the victim of a crime.
But what the government found out was that Brawley had made up her accusations and the crime hadn’t occurred. At this point, the government would have been willing to drop the case - nobody was looking to prosecute an underage girl for false reporting. It was Brawley and the people who were controlling her by this point who insisted on going forward - they were the ones who kept the case alive and by their actions they created their own opposition. People were forced to defend themselves from the accusations that were being made against them.
So I don’t see what you think should have been done. Somebody made up a false accusation. It was investigated and found to be false. Would you prefer that a scapegoat had been designated and accused of a crime he wasn’t guilty of?
As I said, I can sympathize with Brawley. She was a young girl with a fucked-up family that was abusing her and a bunch of people who were using her for their own political agenda.
But I can also sympathize with Pagones, who was falsely accused of serious crimes. He was at least as much a victim as Brawley was.
Wow, for someone with “intimate details” of the case this doesn’t sound very convincing.
A good one.
So you go from a “perhaps” to stating that the jury said it was true.
What’s next? Her druggie friends who beat and rape her are actually aliens? :eek:
At this point you are just embarassing yourself.
Regards,
Shodan
No, they didn’t. From the grand jury report:
What you said is simply not a factual statement. It’s utterly wrong.
TriPolar, did you think that a grand jury report from pre-Internet days wouldn’t be available? Is that why you said it?
Read Outrage: The Story Behind The Tawana Brawley Hoax for a clearer understanding of the situation. Basically, Tawana stayed out past midnight, which her stepfather Ralph King had told her not to do. She broke into her family’s old vacant apartment and stayed there for four days. Then a neighbor saw her outside, climing into a garbage bag and laying on the ground. She called the police.
There was absolutely no evidence of rape or even any major physical damage to Brawley. She had taken her hair weave out, covered herself with dog shit, and written swear worlds on her body with a burned, wet washcloth. Nothing that couldn’t be removed with a good shower.
How was falsely accusing Pagones of rape necessary to Brawley’s survival? How is falsely accusing a man of the rape of an under-aged child not malicious? How was Brawley a victim?
Who threatened Brawley with criminal charges, more violence and mental anguish.
Abslutely NOT!!! No medical evidence whatsoever of Brawley being beaten and raped.
How is Brawley the victim of a crime? So what if she did not want to return? If served with a supena, you are obligated to go to court, whether you want to or not? What violence was Brawley afraid of?
Tripolar the first rule of law is you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts. And your facts are wrong.