Guy only made it to the second round of the playoffs in his first year as a starting NFL quarterback. What a piece of shit.
You have a point.
I am just tired of talking about him.
The BRONCOS made it to the second round of the playoffs. That defense threw Tebow on their back and carried him, kicking, screaming and throwing incompletions, to the playoffs. As soon as the defense can’t keep the Broncos in the game, it’s over for the Broncos.
That, in a nutshell, is the sum and substance of my problem with the Tebow cult. They give credit for team wins (mostly defensive team wins) to one guy, a guy they really want to like, and ignore the actual football. And when he does something very well, they’re loud and brash in their trumpeting his greatness (and again ignoring the rest of the team), and they go and hide when he does poorly. And there’s been a lot more poorly than greatness with Tebow.
I like Tim Tebow. He is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a piece of shit. I want him to find success and I hope he lives a long, healthy, happy life. I was rooting for the Broncos to beat the Patriots last night. But my God I’m sick of his fans.
Seconded. The fans are much more annoying than the man himself. And it does make things even worse when the sports press stops evaluating the games and starts talking about inspiration and other nonsense because they know that’s what people want to hear. Tebow isn’t the first athlete to get that kind of treatment, but he’s gotten very overrated in a big hurry.
I admire the man’s passion, but his homophobia and fundamentalism turn me off.
He is a sincere and ‘good’ (in a conservative Christian sense) guy.
But I wouldn’t want him as my QB.
Even though my beloved Falcons looked like dogcrap in our game against the Giants (24 - 2), I still would prefer Matty Ice over Tebow.
Here’s a question. I’ve read a lot about Tebow and homophobia, but I’ve never seen any actual evidence of his distaste or wish ill things on homosexuals. I don’t know if he’s a “love the sinner, hate the sin” or a “you’re burning in hell you abominations!” kinda guy.
Some show had him spending the day with some special needs kid. Make a wish type thing. He was so genuinely nice to this kid that you could not help liking him.
Then he kneels down on the field and praises God and I cant help but be annoyed with him.
He did a super bowl ad campaign for an anti gay hate group.
He did a fairly innocuous Super Bowl ad - not campaign - for an organization that happens to be anti-gay.
Voluntarily choosing to be the face of an organization (even if just for 1 ad) that is well known to have an anti gay agenda is evidence enough be cited as an example of him having a distaste for gays, regardless how innocuous his own personal message through them may have been.
No it isn’t. It could be cited as an example of him being ambivalent about gays, I suppose. The Boy Scouts have an anti-gay agenda, too; would anyone call it evidence of Tebow’s homophobia if he supported them?
It’s all part of the “waaaah, someone disagrees with me–they must be a hate group!” meme that is fairly common around here.
Not even close to a fair comparison. The Boy Scouts are and organization that does a lot of things. They add value to peoples lives. That they have an anti-gay agenda is only one facet if their organization and it’s a facet that has little to no impact on how 99% of their members experiences them. It’s like saying Wal-Mart and Chick-Fil-A are anti-gay, they are, but few of the customers would have any reason to know this.
Focus on the Family’s entire purpose is to be anti-gay. They exist soley to be a political lobby group and political action committee. Working with them can only be perceived as a support of their agenda because they serve no other purpose. Their agenda defines them, which isn’t the case for The Boy Scouts et al.
Well, in fairness, it’s not something that can be disagreed with. It’d be akin to if the bible said that asians are an abomination. This would in no way provide justification for “disagreement” about whether asians should or should not be afforded the same rights as anyone else.
EDIT: I tried to make this analogy not offensive, but I think I may have failed. Apologies if so.
No, it isn’t.
Their “entire purpose” is to promote a socially conservative (okay, reactionary) viewpoint. Part of that is opposing gay rights, but a much larger part of it is school prayer, creationism, anti-abortion stuff, pro-Israeli foreign policy, and so on.
Do I find it objectionable that Tebow has worked with Focus on the Family? Sure. That doesn’t mean I’m prepared to accept that as evidence that Tebow agrees with everything they do.
The point stands, they serve to advance a view point. That’s their entire purpose. One cannot partner with them and pretend not to be sharing that view point.
Also, I think it’s silly to attempt to treat the concepts you listed as distinct. They are a mouth-piece for the most vile of the christian fundamentalist movement’s ideas. Being “anti-gay” and “anti-abortion” are not distinct concepts for them. They serve to advance the agenda of a group of people who are anti-gay, they hold a bunch of other distasteful ideas, but they are homogeneous in their agreement on these ideals. Tebow has pretty clearly conveyed his agreement by working with them.
The Super Bowl ad was mutually beneficial. Tebow got his ad paid for and produced and gave him a platform to advance his views and elevate his Q rating. FotF got to raise their profile by being affiliated with Tebow and his legion of fans and broadened their fund raising reach by tapping into Super Bowl viewers. It’s absurd to argue that Tebow’s relationship with them was merely incidental.
It’s silly not to distinguish between them when the specific topic being discussed is whether Tebow is homophobic. I don’t doubt that he opposes abortion, because he did an ad about it. I doubt he’s homophobic, because there’s no evidence that he is. In fact, he refused to say whether he supported or opposed gay marriage during his WaPo interview.
One cannot support and work with FotF without being anti-gay. They have one message.
I hereby conclude you support each and every position of each and every politician you have chosen to vote for, each and every action of each and every business you have chosen to contract with, and each and every doctrine of every church you attend.
Those organizations all have a purpose, and if you cooperate with them in any way, it means you necessarily share in every bit of it.
Christ, what dogmatic shite.
Could you point me in the direction of your new goalposts?