Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread

They probably wouldn’t even hear the case.

I think your basic thesis is slightly overstated, but only slightly (I hated the Bush v Gore decision as well). But why you think that pro-GOP would equal pro-Cruz, I have no idea.

One of us!

I would cheerfully drink with the freaks if I were marrying a midget. I love duck gumbo. I would like to punch Ted Cruz in the face.

I guess I was thinking that ruling against Cruz would be perceived as a strong repudiation of the GOP position.

If the Cruz votes, in the electoral college, were invalidated, that gives the Presidency to the Democratic candidate. But if the effect of a Cruz loss was to make the newly elected veep become President, of course, that would be more like what you are saying.

It’s a pretty good bet the SCOTUS wouldn’t touch a Cruz citizenship case after the popular vote has happened. By then it’d be what they call a nonjusticiable political matter.

So any challenge needs to be dealt with before the voters vote. Which means it needs to be launched pretty darn soon to climb all the way to the top of the legal hill by then.

The latter is what would happen. Should a candidate elected by the Electoral College die or otherwise become ineligible before he or she is inaugurated, the Vice-President elect would become President.

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Is there a point to this comment?

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I think this will help Trump and hurt Cruz, not so much because anyone gives a shit about NYC, but because of what Josh Marshall calls the ‘bitch-slap theory’ of politics. Cruz went after Trump, and Trump smacked him down.

I saw the TPM post. Very well argued. Trump definitely has done this to others, especially Jeb. Jeb was reduced to pleading for Donald to “reconsider”.

Well, I suppose an antisemitic subtext could be read into Cruz’ crack about “New York values.”

Sorry, Tomndebb, I was in the midst of a rage attack over the blatant dog whistle of “New York Values.”

We have a household joke – and it’s certainly not original with us – after Repub references to New Yorkers not being Good Americans like Huckabee’s “Bubbas,” where we lift our eyebrows and say in an exaggerated stage whisper “He means the JEWS…”

You know how butt-sensitive we New Yorkers are.

“Believe me, if I could say ‘liberal Jews,’ I would.”

One gets the sense that Cruz is used to saying lines like that to friendly audiences - “Nobody here but us chickens, right? Ha ha, New Yorkers amirite?” - and he’s come up headlong into the cold hard reality of his targets, like a hacky nightclub comic going outside of his comfort zone.

The New York values thing was a direct lift from Sorkin writing The West Wing - dumbest call ever.

I cannot believe how craven and transparent this candidate is: he couldn’t represent GS and corporate American more if he wanted. A totally empty vessel essentially prostituting himself .

It was a direct reference to an interview Trump did with Tim Russet in 1999 when he, among other things, talked about being in favor of keeping abortion legal. . Cruz’s comment was specifically timed to the Iowa caucus as Trump, in that interview, explicitly states that his values are formed by his living in NY, and that he might think differently if he lived in… Iowa!

Link.

Cruz was trying to contrast the Trump of today with the “real Trump”. He kinda let Trump walk all over him in the debate, but as this interview gets more air time in Iowa, it might help him.

I don’t know how he can represent corporate America when the rest of the GOP hates him.

Because whores resent brazen sluts? They do it because they get paid, he just likes it?

Why?

What do you think is the original intent? It seems to me that the founding fathers were mostly concerned about agents of foreign states running for and becoming the commander in chief of our nation (primarily the Brits). I don’t think they would have had a problem with the son of an American citizen and a political refugee from Cuba just because he was born abroad if he spent the his entire adult life in America.