This strikes me as MPSIMS material, but I’ll put it here anyway.
I have not bothered to watch this video, and am not inclined to watch it at all, but in the past 24 hours, almost all of my annoying conservative Facebook friends have shared with me a video with headings like, “Watch Ted Cruz Kick Lesbian Actress’ Butt.” Simultaneously, all my annoying liberal Facebook friends have shared the very same video, with headings like, “Watch Ellen Page Crush Homophobe Ted Cruz.”
As I say, I don’t intend to watch, but BOTH sides can’t be right… can they?
I’ve seen it. Neither kicked the others ass. Cruz had no idea he was talking to someone famous, and he did the old routine of condescendingly telling a hypothetical example with the certainty that he’d just made some irrefutable point. He failed, and she didn’t change his mind. It is amusing to watch him holding -I think- a pork chop the whole time.
Anyway, I happened to come across it on CNN and wanted to take a quick look at the article, and the video automatically started playing. My view is that both sides are actually wrong because the whole thing was a total non-event. Ellen was being polite like the good Canadian girl from Nova Scotia that she is, and Cruz was being whatever an asshole politician is when he knows he’s being watched and recorded, so no one really got in any punches. I want that two minutes of my life back.
Indeed, they can’t be both right, but that is the easy solution. Someone famous said once that that easy way out will usually give us the wrong conclusion.
If we look at the performance one could say that both did not do much and we can leave it as a wash. But that is indeed the easy thing to do, instead of just reporting a “He said” “she said”, one should basically look at who got things right.
So, by looking just a bit further I can say that indeed I do not care much about the encounter, suffice to say that we found out that Cruz is indeed just being a false witness that will gladly continue to [del]cook the information[/del] spew misinformation.
I’m not seeing any ownage - just Cruz trying to spin the issue in an entirely predictable way. Someone wants to discriminate in their business practices, but it’s okay because religion is involved. He suggested he’d be similarly okay with someone refusing service to evangelicals, but I have my doubts.
I would say neither really scored any points. Both tasked the issue they wanted from the perspective they wanted and didn’t really try to get on the same topic. Both made strong statements for their crowd, which is why both claim victory.
Marginal points to Ellen because she asked the question, so it is incumbent on the responder to address her question, not the question he wishes were asked.
Huge duduction of points for Cruz distorting the case study to claim it was church instead of a business shop that rented out for special services like weddings.
Also minor points to Cruz for getting Ellen of guard by turning it on Obama, but that’s offset by distorting the conversation to be about “Obama giving money to the muderers of gays”, and then another deduction for “so them we’re agreed about Obama”.
He wasn’t exactly rude per se, he gave her a fair amount of time to keep after him, trying to make him admit something he was never going to admit, or else make a hugely anti GLBT comment. But he didn’t really address her concern the way she wanted, either, and instead tried the “poor Christians” angle.
Nah, he’s about as much an Albertan as I am – his mom moved him to Houston when he was still pooping his diapers. Whatever is wrong with Cruz, I blame the effects of Texas and oil fumes, and a renegade lunatic Cuban father. I’m sure there must be medication that might make him nearly normal.
