Tell me if I'm being a jerk in this situation.

Long, boring family issue, but with minimum drama. Here’s the sitch:

As some of y’all may know, I come from a fairly large family. Among my several sisters is one I’ll call Jessica here because I can’t remember what pseudonym I’ve used for her in the past and see no real reason to bother checking. She’s is a few years older than I and has a single child, a girl in her mid-teens whom I will call Tess. Jessica and I used to be extremely close, each other’s best friend; now we are not. Earlier posts of mine may give the impression that the fractures in our relationship are entirely her fault, but I’d say the blame is largely mine as well. The strained relationship does not extend to Tess, who is a great little kid. (Well, she’s often a mouthy brat, but that doesn’t bug me, as she’s also funny as hell when she’s being mouthy.)

Anyway…Jessica is a Pentecostal Christian who thinks that anyone who doesn’t adhere to the exact teachings of her church is doomed to Hell. This is sometimes a source of friction between us, as I am an technical agnostic but practical atheist. That said, I still attend services, because the congregation I belong to is extremely liberal. My best friends outside my family belong to that church, and they do a lot of good works in the community I have no problem supporting both financially and with the sweat of my brow.

One of my church’s ministries is aid to poor families. This consists of a twice-weekly giveaway of clothing and other needfuls to homeless persons, and a once-monthly giveaway of food to families in need. A few months ago I was at our father’s house and noticed that he still had a good number of my mother’s clothes in boxes. (She died a few years back).) I suggested that he donate those clothes to us. Jessica objected, opining that giving the clothes would be an implicit support of the open-to-gays church I belong to, and thus an endorsement of eeeevvvviillll.

Now fast-forward to this week. Tess is a member of some school organization that requires its members to engage in a set amount of volunteer work per quarter, and in return she gets certain privileges. Being a teen, she has goofed off and needs to find a way to get her hours in. They belong to a big church in town which, so far as I can see, does nothing for the community whatsodamnever. So Jessica asked me if I could arrange for her to work with the ministry I referred to earlier, which I am running at the moment. I told her, truthfully, that I couldn’t see it working, because the hours the closet is open are school hours for Tess, and though we do scut work when Tess is available, those slots are full. But earlier today, a couple of the kids who do the cleaning and sorting of the closet during the time Tess can help out told me that they are having to drop out this weekend. In other words, I could slot Tess in easily.

But I’m not inclined too. I mean, she’s a good kid and all, but her mother’s motives her strike me as a little mercenary. She was resolutely against the church till it was to her advantage (or rather her child’s advantage) to participate in something we were doing. This annoys me. And yet, I tend to think that if this were one of my other nieces, I would be probably have picked up the phone and told her I’d pick her up tomorrow morning.

Am I being a jerk?

Maybe I can help.

When I need to make a decision about where to strew my benevolence I try to get it into the focus of what good it will do my spirit and divorce myself from what others are thinking or doing.

When I decide that doing something will add to my personal growth as a human being I don’t worry about what others may do with it or think about it.

When I figured this out I finally had the solution for myself of giving to people with strings attached and the frequent subsequent resentment which followed.

Edit: You don’t sound like you’re being a jerk, maybe just confused about what will produce the most satisfying results for you.

I guess the issue is that you’re to some degree punishing your neice for her mother’s two-faced hypocritical prejudice. Maybe you should tell your sister “Sorry, but I couldn’t be party to involving your daughter in that open-to-gays church and condemning her to eeeevill.”

Then call the neice directly and tell her you’ll pick her up.


Exterminating Scientologists? Ewww, be sure to wear gloves and wash really well afterwards.

I can’t say you’re being a jerk, but I can understand your feelings on this one. That being said, I’d get Tess in: I like what Quercus said above, personally.

No.

The hard part is that you might be seen as punishing your niece because her mother is an ass. It sounds like Tess is old enough to understand the family game going on and won’t take it personally. On the other hand, bringing Tess over from the Dark Side might show her that your congregation practices what it preaches, regardless of the perceived fallout. And don’t forget, the result is helping others who may be worse off than all of you.

On preview, Quercus nailed it.

Had it been Tess who questioned the morality of the church, then came to ask to volunteer, you would not be wrong by withholding this opportunity from her. However, it was her mom. Don’t harm this girl’s chances by denying her the chance to serve. It may even give her an inside perspective on the church’s mission and keep Jessica from trying to indoctrinate her against that particular congregation.

SO, I guess you’re not really being a jerk, but you’re not being totally fair to Tess.

Agreed with everyone so far. Your job here is to do right by Tess and maybe do some good in the world. Jessica’s motivations are none of your concern.

But you are a jerk for forgetting your own sister’s name.

It does seem like you’re taking out your irritation with your sister on your niece.

Being the kind of jerk that I am, I’d leap on the chance to get niece involved with church.

Then, anytime in the future that sister said ANYTHING about your church, you have the opportunity to mention that it was good enough for her when they needed something from it. :smiley:

Seconded!

No to jerk

Yes to Quercus + Redtail23 = Plan

Bonus points if you can convince the niece to be all lesbian-y after she interacts with the church - Maybe humming ‘I kissed a girl’ while watching a slew of Lindsey Lohan movies?

I don’t think you’re being a jerk. I see the church situation as comparable to football (hey, my Saints are in the Super Bowl, so right now, everything is comparable to football). Jessica has been insulting your “Saints” and cheering for another team for years, but her team didn’t make the playoffs, so now she wants to come to your Super Bowl party. Fuck that, and fuck her.

As for “punishing” Tess…it is not your fault she didn’t get her hours in earlier. She’s known about the deadline for the whole quarter. Now, either she has to find a way to qualify, or she will lose the privileges. If she doesn’t make the cut, she’ll still learn a valuable lesson about not putting things off until the last minute.

Good point!

Really the best thing you can do is be a mentor and a good example to your niece. And it doesn’t hurt that, if she does see you this way and become influenced by your point of view and grow into an upstanding atheist herself, it will totally piss off your sister in law.

I’d also inform your sister that Tess will be bringing that box of clothes with her to donate. If you were really eeeevil, you’d tell Jessica that she’ll be getting a donation receipt in her name, and have her name in the church bulletin next month for her generosity.

Your niece is not a spiritual shuttlecock so there’s no reason to be a dick about it. Take the high road and help her out. You know you want to.

Agreed. Not a jerk.

Don’t visit the sins of the sister upon the niece.

But do keep the Redtail23 plan ready for execution.

I’m with the majority opinion here. Let the niece do the work; rub the sister’s nose in it.

You’re being a jerk in this situation.

Oh, you said “if”

I’ll go back and read the OP.

Well, I don’t know if you’re technically being a jerk, but “she started it!” hasn’t been a valid argument for quite a few years now, has it? :slight_smile:

I’m with this - say it’s a good opportunity to kill two birds - Tess gets her hours, and the clothes cluttering up your father’s house get given away to a good cause. Hard for your sister to refuse the quid pro quo, and all sides win - Tess and her Mum get the hours, you do the right thing by Tess and those in need get a generous donation.

Call your niece directly, and slot her in.

Next week, have a conversation with your sister and ask her to help you understand how she distinguishes between “not wanting your father donating clothing to this organization” and “wanting her daughter to donate time to this organization”. You having this knowledge will help you understand your sister better and hopefully improve your relationship with her. :wink: