FreakFreely
Please continue, by all means!
Since you have nothing better to do… Freak, I am suprised you are still posting. Aren’t you homeless yet? Where the fuck are you going to plug in your computer when you get kicked out of your apartment? It is a shame you have no friends and no one to live with temporarily. But, well shit, If I knew you in person, I would not want your sorry ass living with me either!
Kiss my ass you fucking loser!!!
Weirdave
Shit man, there you guys go again. Not fucking reading what I said before. Let me fucking quote it:
Wow!! Whatdaya Know!! Looks like I mentioned destroying evidence earlier. Now if you guys would quit arguing and take the fucking time to READ…
Anyone else want to try and make it look like I don’t know what I am talking about?
These fucking losers keep throwing shit at me, but they are missing completely.
Well, Bear, I hearby officialy, and before the entire MB apologise to you. You are right on this one. I just talked to the Tampa Police Dept., and they veified that if elimination of evidence isn’t a concern, they can’t follow you into your house. I also talked to the police here in Maryland, and things are a bit different in Baltimore. That being said, I think the confusion here stems from the fact that we’ve all been doing a lot of " It’s like…", without allowing for the fact that every situation is different. I have never been afraid of admitting when I was wrong, so here it is:
*I WAS WRONG AND BEAR WAS RIGHT. I HEARBY RETRACT SOME OF MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS.
That being said, I still think you are too sensitive in matters like this. Nobody that I saw criticized the cops, just the laws. Criticizing laws is not a slap at you or your admittedly hard job. You may want to consider this.
Someone as small-minded as you is rather difficult to hit. They can keep throwing ideas your way, but it’ll just sail over your head.
Weirddave,
Thank you sir, you are both a gentlemen and a scholar!
Sorry if I came off too sensitive! But in the title of the Thread was “thank god for our Police force…”. I was just trying to tell Sannibel that he should not be so upset with the officers, but to be more upset with the law makers.
Somewhere between there and here everything got out of control and I think a lot of people thought I was trying to justify moral laws and say they are ok because of my own morals. I thought I made it clear that I have little morals to begin with 
Actually I am not some crazy zealot out trying to arrest every single violation I see. But when agencies organize a task force to raid a club like this, do not get mad at the cops.
Did anyone notice that the Feds are investigating the club also? There is more to this story than we are even aware.
Anyway, sorry for offending anyone. Sorry for not being clearer in my posts.
I was not trying to justify the laws. I was trying to justify the fact that the cops enforced them…
Freak
I owe you an apology too… SORRY!
You just jumped in with that crap in the middle of me trying to handle two flame threads at the same time. And you come in with nothing more than that score sheet garbage. You did not even make an attempt to state an argument.
However, this was no reason for me to insult your RL situations… Sorry man!!
Awww, the board got all warm and fluffy there towards the end.
pldennison, I’d like to point out that the male genital mutilation, as you call it, still enables the male in question to have an orgasm. Not so for mutilated females. Doesn’t make it right, but they’re not the same.
Gee, sorry. I didn’t know you had to give an argument as a cover charge. The point of that score sheet is that you aren’t sayin’ much either, aside from a whole bunch of swear words, which get kind of monotonous after awhile.
Now, I agree that laws are there for a reason, and that those laws should be enforced. Unfortunately, most cops only enforce the laws when they feel like it, or when they don’t like the person who’s committing the crime.
Bear, you are right on your main points but you have allowed yourself to be drawn into an argument with people who imagine themselves anarchists but instead act like spoiled brats who want to do whatever they want, to Hell with everybody else.
Children, morality, the law, and religion are not inseparable. Quit turning every discussion of morality or the law into another one of your anti-religious tirades. It reflects badly on you and makes you look like a spiteful teenager. Which I assume most of you are.
Laws are passed by politicians who are supposedly working in the interests of the public. Yeah, many are crooked or sucking up to groups who can get them elected, but that is a discussion for another thread. The laws they make are supposed to be what the majority wants or to protect a minority from what the majority wants. Prostitutes, child pornographers, and exhibitionists are generally not protected minorities.
If you don’t like the laws you have two choices: get them changed or move someplace else. By doing neither you have given your tacit agreement that you will abide by them, and leave yourselves open to the punishment defined by the law. You think speeding on an empty highway is a victimless crime? Fine, but don’t come crying to me when you get a ticket. Want to get a blowjob in public? Then don’t be surprised when you get arrested.
Grow up and realize that you are not the center of the universe and what you want to do will not always be acceptable to other people. Get the blowjob at home.
As if 90% of you have ever had one.
I go to bed, I get up and look what happened!!
One thing is for sure and that is by busting this club all it has done is make cops look foolish and when a cop feels he is losing respect he may take the action he feels is necassary to regain it.
It happens.
No matter that the cops are simply doing their job at the behest of some self-seeking political nitwit, the public on the ground does not say
“Oh constable I fully understand your dilemma and will co-operate in every aspect of your investigation. Please feel free to call my wife and explain and while I’m at it I am such a naughty boy for attending such an event”
Looks like the cop is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Using the law to bolster an election campaign in such a direct way does not appear to serve democracy well.
Once the law has been passed it should be up to the police to decide priorities not some jumped up camera loving sharp suit.
Now this may or may not have happened in this case but from the outside the whole thing looks so ridiculous that one wonders what made the police go in, certainly not common sense.
Actually, I do… I think prostitution ought to be legal. Why on earth is it illegal to sell something it’s legal to give away free?
Good point. That is why I brought up prostitution in the first place. See, it would not be such a bad thing if it was legalized. Certainly not the fall of our civilization. But while it is ilegal cops will enforce it. The thing is, most people think it should be ilegal and that is why they do not have a problem with cops enforcing it. But all of a sudden these same people witness cops enforce a law they don’t think is fair… then they bitch and moan about it.
Damn!! And to think that I was looking to go to a dance joint that allows me to eat strawberries out of poontang pie.
Pldennison: do not dare to compare female genital mutilation to being circumsised. When you are circumsised they do not cut off your entire freaking penis- you insensitive sack of shit. You are so completely wrong here I have devolved into personal profanity. When a young girl is mutilated they cut off her clitoris, and often her labia, and sometimes sew her vagina closed with thorns- all without benefit of anethesia, or sterile instruments. The vagina heals together, and then is ripped apart during her “honeymoon”. Compare this to a male baby, with a local, with sterile intruments, often in a hospital, losing a bit of skin. Is circumcision right? Try a GD on that if you will, but it is not even in the same fucking league with FGM. Either you are an asshole, or ignorant, or both.
Bear- it is simple- when the Law is wrong, you do not have to enforce it. Unless a Judge hands you a writ of Mandamous (sp?), of course. This would be for ‘stupid laws’ and “victemless crimes”. If the law requires you to perfrom a 'crime against humanity"- you MUST NOT obey or enforce that law.
So, you’ve gone from “I assure you it’s only a misdemeanor” to “I was only assuming?” Nice move, there. I like to call it a debate-and-switch, but thankfully, we’re not allowed to edit our past words. So I could pull up this phrase to show you how wrong you are. THAT’S why I posted my original post. You “assume” that everyone is like you, and every state is like yours. In reality, folks can get 20 years for a blowjob in other places. Face it, you were wrong. But nice try at blowing some smoke around.
And too many, especially of this sort, are “feel-good” laws designed to keep legislators in office. “Look at me, I sponsored laws to keep perverts and degenerates off the streets and away from your children!”
When I lived in Norfolk, VA, I lived on the local stroll. It took almost an act of Congress to get the damn cops to do anything about the hookers and johns. Most of us had young kids and didn’t want to explain to them what prostitution is. We started working with a local private investigator to trace tag numbers and report them to their commands. Then the girls’ apartment house burned down, and the girls left.
By the same token, if two gay men want to hang out in a public park after dark, and blow each other to their hearts’ content, then more power to 'em. I don’t have to go into that park, nor do I have to allow my kids to go in there.
I agree with anti-streetwalking laws, at least in practice. I fail to see how sodomy laws do anything to protect their intended group.
Robin
In our city, we have the great local police department hot on the trail of night clubs that just might display a little too much private flesh and then doing frequent undercover sting operations through the red light district to catch prostitutes and Johns alike for being sinful! Meanwhile, the drug shipments sail right up to shore and unload unmolested because the police are busy enforcing morality.
Dz you said:
I sincerely hope you weren’t talking about me. I tried to keep this a un-pit like discussion of the issues. Yes I got mad, and when I was proven wrong I admitted it. I am the furthest thing from an anarchist. I was advocating examining laws for validity. If you can’t understand that, then you need to go back to reading comprehension 101.
Thank you for this, Robyn… Whenever I hear about people getting arrested for sex in parks at night, I always have this little dialogue… “To protect the children, eh? Well, if your child is wandering around a park at three in the morning, you’ve got a little more to worry about than public sex.”
And of course, there’s the fact that at least in Montreal, police will walk right past a straight couple screwing in the park, but a gay couple is toast.
I am shocked – shocked, I say! – that there are so many people on this board who seem to have no respect for the concept of the rule of law. WTF? That is one of the very basic things that is right about advanced democracies, and you just want to throw it out the window?
Our nation, and those like it, are predicated on the idea that its citizens have a respect for the law, and that they understand that there is a process for changing the law.
So, you follow the law. If you don’t like the law, change it. There are procedures in place. I’ve read a whole lot of argument in this thread that something should not be a law, and that’s fine. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Just because you don’t like the law doesn’t mean you have to privilege of ignoring it. You most expressly do not.
The police have a job to do, and that is to enforce the law. That’s why we call them law enforcement officers. You will notice that there is also a reason we do not call them lawmakers.
And don’t give me a bunch of crap about it being the responsibility of citizens to carry revolution into the streets to fight against an unjust government. That may be true, but it doesn’t apply to situations like this. If you wan t to rebel against the government, fine, but don’t expect the entire framework to stay in place. When the revolution starts, we wipe the slate clean.