At least you’re honest about the depths of your bigotry and hatred.
How despicable.
Geez, until that last post I had no idea that december even knew what gray was.
TV, I rise to defend our pet peevish, december. There is not a doubt in my mind that his drollery about “liberal students” was just that. One need only review his many poetic maunderings (soon to be collected and published by Remainder House), rendered in a form somewhat similar to the “limerick”, to be assured that he has something similar to a sense of humor.
One must not revile a man simply because he thinks Mallard Fillmore is funny. Compassion and acceptance are, after all, the very lodestone of liberal values.
That, my friend, is FUNNY!
Huh? Which of those is it?
While our newly-found convert to environmental responsibility in the White House is at it, no doubt he’ll focus next on eliminating the threat to the clean air of the Middle East posed by the presence of all that oil. He’ll have to remove it as soon as possible for the good of the people there.
Uncle Beer: Cite? Or another bullshit driveby?
Dude, it has nothing to do with how we feel about Bush.
It’s about how december constantly fellates the Bush Administration and seems to think they can do no wrong.
He’s the biggest weasel around these parts. (december, that is).
GWB is a great strategic thinker. His intervention in the ecology of Iraq paves the way to restoring natural ecosystems in Syria. The plan should include the destruction of the dams on the Yangtze River in China within 3 months, restoring that lake in Russia (what’s its name?), putting an electric fence along the Ganges, and banning aquifer irrigation in Texas. Can’t you people see the future?
And, I still remain doubtful that december will offer substantive response to Enginerd’s post, which remains the most informative one in this entire thread.
december is welcome to his opinion, and may ignore facts as he wishes… but the OP remains unconvincing, unproven, and specious at best.
Avalonian, it’s classic december-he ALWAYS ignores posters who correct him. Or if he absolutely can’t, he changes his argument slightly to go for something else.
Why he ever came to a board dedicated to fighting ignorance, I’ll never know. Hmmm, perhaps maybe to strike a blow for ignorance?
This is a RNC lie, and you damn well know it 'Beer.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h080399_1.shtml
Thanks for the link, Tejota, but I doubt that Uncle Beer “damn well” knew the story was false. I’m pretty sure he’s taking the story as gospel from Bill Sammon’s classic of dissembly “At Any Cost”, which purports to show what a big ol’ liar Al Gore was. (If you enjoyed this book, sez Amazon, you might think Ann Coulter’s “Slander” tastes like candy, too.)
But you’re right that the “flooded a dry river” story, like most such, is bullshit.
No, you’re thinking of Rogers C. B. Morton, Secretary of the Interior, Congressman from Maryland, and Chairman of the Republican Party during the early 1970’s.
I know… I just thought it interesting that december doesn’t seem to care about this topic enough to respond to it when he’s given real meat to do so. Could it be that he only started it because of a political agenda?
gasp Color me shocked.
I suppose somebody has to speak for ignorance around here… it is a somewhat under-represented minority in these parts.
Because, and thank Og and the IPU, not everyone thinks/acts like december.
Thank you Enginerd. You just helped restore a bit of my faith in humanity.
Enjoy,
Steven
Its either ignorance or apathy, but frankly, I don’t know and I don’t care.
If you take the trouble to scan back up the thread, you will discover that both Captain America and I did respond to Enginerd’s comment. Why don’t you respond to our points?
You’re right in that, since they’ve been there for generations, the Ma’dan managed the land in a compatible way with the ecology - I’d probably say that they were a beneficial part of the system itself. The problem comes when you look at how the wetland was destroyed and what has to happen to restore it.
The restoration of a wetland is just as dependent on what happens outside the project area as it is on what happens inside. In this case, you’d have to look at what was done with the land after it was drained, and at what has been done to the surrounding area. The health of the watershed (the land area that drains into the wetland) is incredibly important to the health of the wetland, since the wetland is entirely dependent on the influent water. If this water is polluted with chemicals, excess nutrients, or even excessive sediment loads, the wetland will be significantly changed. An established wetland is much more capable of coping with this pollution than a newly restored one is.
The fact that pesticides were used is also troublesome. In the US, pesticides are pretty heavily regulated and generally present little long-term environmental threat when they’re applied according to the applicable regulations. In other parts of the world, though, pesticides aren’t as heavily regulated, and aren’t as thoroughly tested - there’s a definite danger that the pesticides used in the wetland have persisted in the environment and will prevent anything from growing there in the future.
In short, I don’t think the problem is the ma’dan - they were a part of the ecosystem that we’re talking about restoring. Instead, the problem is pretty much everything else - the management of the watershed rather than the wetland itself.
Ok this is a very old zombie about a now finished war; but while we are at it, what did happen to the wetlands?
Sometimes some good and some evil come out of the same campaign. Maybe even usually. What was Bush’s record like on environmentalism generally?
Oh, yeah. Refused to sign Kyoto, refused to join the land mine ban, refused to accept that there are global responsibilities.
Humbug.
Embankments were broken down and some of the marshes reflooded, but the continuing presence of upstream dams and recent droughts have left the wetlands with only about 30% of their former marsh area currently thriving as of January 2011. An organization called Nature Iraq is spearheading the restoration efforts.
To be fair, the marine conservation efforts were a major positive step. Overall, though, US environmental policy suffered severely from the Bush administration’s general governing principle of turning over control and supervision of regulation to business interests whenever possible and defunding regulation efforts.