The 100 Most Influential People - Try the Third

Naw, you can repost that specific pick. If I make a mistake and tabulate the original, the Gorbachev vote will fall out anyway. NBD.

Invention. Louis Dagurre
Leader. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Homer
Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. Leonhard Euler

Two new faces from me, and picking an Inventor to hit the skids is pretty much a coin toss now. Dagurre was picked because cameras were already known, and others were working on the process.

Homer was picked… because he has fallen out of fashion. Not sure how many people read his works any more, but his influence is not to be dismissed out of hand.
Still, for a blind poet who may have turned out to be several people over several centuries, I’m pleased he lasted this long.

I think I only have one new vote and four repeats:

Inventors: Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leaders: Charlemagne
Philosophy: Voltaire
Religion: Pope Urban II
Science: John Dalton

I hope Calvin survives a little longer. The influence of Calvinism goes far beyond the Reformation and Presbyterianism; there are strands of Reformed Theology in just about every Christian tradition in the west.

Inventors. Alexander Graham Bell
Leaders. Queen Isabella I
Philosophy. Homer
Religion. Pope Urban II
Science. James Clerk Maxwell

Inventor. William TG Morton
Leader. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Pope Urban II
Science. James Clerk Maxwell

Cyrus (who appears headed for defeat this round) and Maxwell are my only holdovers. Invention was the toughest category to whittle down this time.

Voting against the guy who invented anaesthesia? That’s painful. :wink:

Invention. Ts’ai Lun
Leaders. Queen Isabella I
Philosophy and the Arts. Homer
Religion. 'Umar Ibn Al-Khattab
Science. Nicholas Copernicus

Invention. Alexander Graham Bell
Leader. Genghis Khan
Philosophy. Michelangelo
Religion. Pope Urban II
Science. Antonine Laurent Lavoisier

In that case here it is:
Leader. Charlemagne

Last day for round 6!

Invention. Alexander Graham Bell
Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte
Philosophy. William Shakespeare
Religion. Pope Urban II
Science. Albert Einstein

Well happy to see that this game has some traction unlike my own versions.

Inventor: William TG Morton (Why the h*** are people voting for Ts’ai Lun? He invented paper!)
Leader: Queen Elizabeth I
Philosophy/Arts: Ludwig Von Beethoven
Religion: Asoka
Science: Leonhard Euler

Silly beggars can’t be choosers.

I agree with Curtis. The inventions of Morton, Bell, etc. would have been delayed by only a few months if Morton or Bell hadn’t lived. They were ideas “whose time had come.”

But the paper-making process wasn’t known in Europe for a thousand years after Ts’ai Lun! This was no trivial invention.

After the invention of paper, China raced ahead of Europe technologically. This trend was finally reversed at the precise time of Gutenberg’s press, a key invention China did not duplicate. Even if the causal connection in that is smallish, Morton would surely not belong on the same list as Ts’ai Lun. (Even if he really invented anesthesia, which he didn’t.)

I think that one of the arguments is that Ts’ai Lun didn’t exist (like Moses).

Cite?

Not sure why anyone is concerned with “existence” in a discussion of influence.
Moses’ physical form may be questioned, the influence of the Exodus fable is hard to deny. Various forces are still debating the commandments, and that’s worth noting.

On the same token, Pope Urban 2 impacted Christianity in ways Jesus never dreamed, but he’s popping up on a lot of lists. The story of Jesus of course being different from the history of Christianity. But so it goes.

If we manage to make it, I’d be curious to see what figures of today would even be noticed 2000 years later.

Inventor. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leaders. Queen Isabella I
Art. Michelangelo
Religion. Pope Urban II
Science. Enrico Fermi


This is going to get hard really soon, so I’d better get in while I have an informed opinion. I already had to think about the last 2 categories.

Explanations:

My philosophy is what if they had never existed?

Wrights: Others had the same idea
Isabella: If Columbus doesn’t count, why would she?
Michelangelo: A great artist, but I don’t think he really influenced anything.
Urban II: With Pope Gregory VII’s concept of just war, the Crusades were inevitable.
Fermi: Germany was nowhere near developing the bomb, and the basic principles of fission were already understood. The bomb wouldn’t have been delayed by much.

Some people think he has a more angular form.

Couldn’t resist.

Cite for him being fictional? Can’t provide one - it’s not my argument.

Cite for somebody voting against him because of supposed non-existence? No problem.