Well, technically it’s about influential people. Ghosts need not apply.
It’s not like one can interview any survivors of an event over 3000 years ago, so myths and legends still influence. That Frank Sinatra keeps stealing my gin is besides the point.
And according to some people everyone on this list before the 1400s or so did not exist or were highly distorted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)
Curtis, Skammer, please follow the formatting and comment rules. Thanks.
Here are the round 6 losers:
Category, Name, # of votes
I, Alexander Graham Bell, 8
L, Queen Isabella I, 7
P, Homer, 4
R, Pope Urban II, 7
S, Antonine Laurent Lavoisier, 4
A lot of burning resentment on this round as a number of people who have lasted longer than other, more worthy (hint: BACH) candidates were finally given the boot.
A-hem.
Anyway, here are the round 7 categories:
Invention
Alexander Fleming, Scientist, Invented Penicillin
Antony van Leeuwenhoek, Scientist, Inventor of Microscope
Edward Jenner, Scientist, Developed Vaccination for Smallpox
Gugilemo Marconi, Scientist, Invented Radio
Henry Ford, American Industrialist, Developed Mass Production Techniques
James Watt, British Scientist, Invented Steam Engine
Johann Gutenberg, Scientist, Inventor of Printing Press
Joseph Lister, Scientist, Developed Antiseptic Methods
Louis Dagurre, Scientist, Invented Photography
Nikolaus August Otto, Scientist, Developed Internal Combustion Engine
Orville and Wilbur Wright, Scientists, Inventor of Airplane
Thomas Edison, American Scientist, 1,000+ inventions
Ts’ai Lun, Scientist, Inventor of Paper
William TG Morton, Scientist, Invented Anaesthesia
Leaders
Adolf Hitler, German Dictator, Started World War II
Alexander the Great, Macedonian Ruler, Formed Macedonian Empire
Augustus Caesar, Roman Princep, Founded Roman Empire
Charlemagne, Frankish Monarch, Founder of Holy Roman Empire
Cyrus the Great, Persian Emperor, Founded Persian Emperor
Genghis Khan, Mongol Ruler, Founded Mongol Empire
George Washington, American Statesman and General, Fought For Independence of United States
Josef Stalin, Dictator of USSR, Expanded Communism
Julius Caesar, Roman General, Ended Roman Civil Wars
Lenin, Russian Leader, Founded Communism in Russia
Mao Zedong, Chinese Dictator, Established Communism in China
Napoleon Bonaparte, French Emperor, Waged Napoleonic Wars
Peter the Great, Russian Emperor, Modernized Russia
Queen Elizabeth I, Queen of England, Made England a Naval Power
Sui Wen Ti, Chinese Emperor, Reunited China
William the Conquerer, Norman Duke and English King, Led In Norman Conquest of England
Philosophy and the Arts
Adam Smith, Economist, Advocated Capitalism
Aristotle, Greek Philosopher
Confucius, Chinese Philosopher, Founder of Confucianism
Francis Bacon, Philosopher, Developed Scientific Method
John Locke, British Philosopher, Developed Democratic Ideas
Karl Marx, Economist, Founder of Communism
Lao Tzu, Chinese Philosopher, Founded Taoism
Ludwig von Beethoven, Composer
Michelangelo, Artist, Sculptor
Nicoli Machiavelli, Political Theorist
Plato, Greek Philosopher, Developed Platonism
Thomas Jefferson, American Statesman, Wrote Declaration of Independence, Louisiana Purchase
Voltaire, French Philosopher
William Shakespeare, English Playwright
Religion
‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, Muslim Caliph, Expanded the Caliphate
Asoka, Indian Emperor, Spread Buddhism
Buddha, Founder of Buddhism
Constantine the Great, Roman Emperor, Tolerated and Promoted Christianity in Rome
Jesus Christ, Founder of Christianity
John Calvin, Christian Theologian, Developed Calvinism
Martin Luther, Theologian, Started Protestantism and Reformation
Mohammed, Founder of Islam
Moses, Jewish Prophet
St Augustine, Christian Theologian
St Paul, Christian Missionary and Apostle
Science
Albert Einstein, Scientist, Physicist, Theory of Relativity
Charles Darwin, British Scientist, Theory of Evolution
Enrico Fermi, Scientist, Developed Atomic Bomb
Ernest Rutherford, Scientist, Developed Subatomic Physics
Euclid, Greek Mathematician
Galileo Galilei, Scientist, Advocated Heliocentricity
Isaac Newton, British Scientist, Theory of Universal Gravitation and Motion
James Clerk Marxwell, Scientist, Electromagnetism
Johannes Kepler, Scientist, Developed Theories of Planetary Motion
John Dalton, Scientist, Atomic Theory
Leonhard Euler, Mathematician
Louis Pasteur, Scientist, Pasteurization, Germ Theory of Disease
Max Planck, Scientist, Developed Therodynamics
Michael Faraday, British Scientist, Discovered Electromagnetism
Nicolas Copernicus, Scientist, Theory of Heliocentricity
I need to replace 3 of 5. I’m actually going to replace 4 of 5:
Inventors. William TG Morton
Leaders. Peter the Great
Philosophy. Nicoli Machiavelli
Religion. Asoka
Science. John Dalton
Thoughts:
Three of my votes are for people I know very little about: Asoka, Dalton, and Morton. Peter the Great seems the least influential of the leaders remaining, and the country he left behind remained a hellhole for about another 2 centuries, so fah on him.
Inventors: James Watt
Leaders: Peter the Great
Philosophy: Lao Tzu
Religion: Moses
Science: Lehnard Euler
James Watt because the steam engine is obsolete , and so is not that influential anymore.
Lao Tzu because he didn’t exist, and people who never existed cannot be influential.
Peter the Great just because he’s the least important left on the list.
Moses, not only because he never existed, but because even the accomplishments attributed to him never occurred.
Euler because I’ve never heard of him.
Inventions. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leader. Charlemagne
Philosophy. Ludwig von Beethoven
Religion. Moses
Science. Galileo Galilei
I think I should be ranked amongst the least influential participants in this thread. But I’ll try and spin persistance as a virtue.
Invention. Louis Dagurre
Leader. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Confucius
Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. Leonhard Euler
Only one new face this time. Going with Confucius as he was the Miss Manners of the Chinese court. Not without influence, but his main area of expertise was etiquette and we all know that rude bastards have more impact.
Inventions. Antony van Leeuwenhoek
Leader. Napoleon Bonaparte
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. John Calvin
Science. Johannes Kepler
Napoleon was hugely influential in Europe at the time, of course, but I don’t think there was much long-lasting effect. Even France today is little different from if Napoleon had never existed, IMO.
Inventors. William TG Morton
Leaders. Queen Elizabeth I
Philosophy. Francis Bacon
Religion. Moses
Science. Nicolas Copernicus
Morton: He never belonged on the list at all.
Elizabeth: She’s gotten few votes. Is she being credited with the tremendous success of England and the English-speaking people?
In any event, it’s startling that Oliver Cromwell was eliminated before Elizabeth I even started getting votes.
Bacon: One of several remaining who are much less influential than Descartes or Homer.
Moses: I’d vote Asoka if it were clear that fictions are allowed. But then, shouldn’t Osiris, Zeus, Gilgamesh, Noah, and Romulus & Remus appear on the list? Not to mention Adam and Eve?
(Yes, fictional or not, Moses was an important lawgiver, but so were Justinian and several not on the original list at all.)
Copernicus: Fermi and Rutherford are also good candidates, but they’re not accumulating votes. What’s with the votes for Galileo and Kepler? Is it possible that some have misread the rules, and are voting for the most influential? :smack:
My history is far too weak to judge Asoka’s overall importance. But wouldn’t there often be a case for crediting an influential person (e.g. King) for a religion, more than the prophet? For example, wouldn’t Zoroaster be nearly forgotten today were it not for the exploits of Persian conquerors like Cyrus the Great? For that matter, there are five on the list who owe their importance to Jesus, but if Jesus had never lived, might not that role have been played by some other messiah, e.g. John the Baptist?
[Host]
One may vote against any person for any reason whatsoever. “Allowability” is only limited to those names on the original Hart list - if they’re on the list, they’re equally “allowed” to win. If they’re not on the list, they’re equally not “allowed” to win.
[/Host]
FYI: Ashoka - Wikipedia
Invention. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leader. Charlemagne
Philosophy. Nicoli Machiavelli
Religion. John Calvin
Science. Johannes Kepler
[Host]
Corollary question: What names (limit yourself to five) would you have on the list?
[/Host]
John D. Rockefeller
Norman Borlaug
The 1947 team that invented the transistor: Bardeen, Schockley, and Brattain
If the transistor team can be counted as one, the other two would be:
Invention. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leaders. Peter the Great
Philosophy. Nicoli Machiavelli
Religion. ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab
Science. John Dalton
Inventor. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leaders. Queen Elizabeth I
Art. Michelangelo
Religion. John Calvin
Science. Enrico Fermi
New Reasons:
Elizabeth: per septimus. Not sure why she’s considered influential.
Calvin: I almost voted for him last time, until I looked up Urban to be sure. He’s the lowest tiered person on there. And I actually am almost a Calvinist.
Old Reasons:
My Round 7 votes:
Inventor. Orville and Wilbur Wright
Leader. Charlemagne
Philosophy. Ludwig von Beethoven
Religion. John Calvin
Science. Johannes Kepler
Inventor. William TG Morton
Leader. Cyrus the Great
Philosophy. Lao Tzu
Religion. Asoka
Science. James Clerk Maxwell
Asoka is the only change from last round. Interesting that an Indian emperor spread Buddhism, but that the religion basically died out on the Indian subcontinent by the late Middle Ages even as it thrived elsewhere in Asia. I first heard of the man when I learned that the symbol on the white stripe of the Indian flag is the Wheel of Asoka, or Ashoka Chakra.
Same.
Inventor: William TG Morton
Leader: Queen Elizabeth I
Philosophy/Arts: Ludwig Von Beethoven
Religion: Asoka
Science: Leonhard Euler