The 2016 Republican candidates

The reason for Carson’s current popularity is written across his face, isn’t it? Without that, he’d be just another nutbag writing angry letters to the editor as a retirement hobby.

But, Cain never could have won. Not the general, not the primaries. You know it. He had a better shot at becoming president of Uzbekibekistanstan.

Yeah, well, that’s not the kind of guy we want for president, is it?

John Kasich, Governor of Ohio, is in South Carolina and making Presidential noises: Ohio Gov. John Kasich in South Carolina: 'You may find me in New Hampshire before it's over' - cleveland.com

Won’t help, there is extradition in New Hampshire as well.

Speaking as someone who’s actually on your side of this argument…stop helping. You just basically reiterated the standard right-wing mouthnoise about why Obama got elected. Of course, it’s not true in Obama’s case, but handing them ammunition is kind of stupid, isn’t it?

No, I think they’re different claims altogether.

The lefty claim about black conservatives is that, in what might be regarded as a weird parody of affirmative action, any black conservative who is able to string coherent sentences together and not embarrass himself in public has a bright future on the wingnut welfare circuit, and will have plenty of encouragement to run for office, with the idea being that even if there are practically no black conservatives in the general population, the GOP can make it look otherwise by putting every last one of them in the limelight.

While the right may claim that the skids were greased for Obama because he’s black, (a) it’s definitely not because the Dems are trying to cover up the lack of left-of-center blacks, and (b) who the heck didn’t notice that Hillary Clinton, who practically is the Democratic establishment at this point, did her damnedest to win the 2008 nomination herself, and indeed made it the most hard-fought nomination fight since 1976. If wingnuts think that’s skid-greasing, they’re too confused to try to explain things to.

I’m pointing out how it doesn’t mean anything either way from those guys. It’s a way to avoid dealing with the lack of support they get from African-Americans. Carson is their latest “front-window Negro”, that’s all, following the likes of Herman Cain and J.C. Watts, and a few others who can be named individually.

Not primarily, of course not, but not in the slightest? Really? You’re quite confident of that? :dubious:

Not if they’re going to shoot it into their own feet.

Well, it’s all moot, Obama won’t be running in 2016 and Carson, if he does, won’t be in it long. Race – at least, the races of the candidates – simply won’t be a factor, they’ll all be white (no, Jindal won’t last long either).

You’re forgetting Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

They’d have to be Icelandic to be any whiter. And neither will last long past the first round of primaries. Rubio probably won’t even run.

That’s true of most Latinos. I guess demographic change isn’t working for your side after all.

It would be really nice if being wrong were painful, somehow…

Tell that to Brainy over here. If Rubio and Cruz are white, then most Latinos are white.

This does not follow necessarily.

What is your standard? If it’s skin tone, Rubio and Cruz are comfortably in the medium range.

I don’t have a standard. I don’t think Cruz has ever referred to himself as Latino. Rubio may or may not have; I don’t recall.

FWIW, for statistical purposes at least, the Federal government treats race (white, black, Asian, Native American, Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, etc.) and ethnicity (Hispanic, non-Hispanic) as independent variables. If you’re a Hispanic, you can be white, black, Asian, Native American, or Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, just as you can be if you’re non-Hispanic.

Something like 90% of Hispanics in the U.S. report themselves as white on their Census forms. Just from their photos, I’d expect Cruz and Rubio would fit comfortably into that group.

Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center takes aim at Jeb with an ad that seems to tie him to Benghazi, no really.

I’m no fan of Jeb, but that makes my brain hurt.