The .22 Rimfire thread

I finally got around to picking one up today. I opted for matte black over stainless. I dressed it up a little with some gold grip screws I happened to have on hand. They look pretty snazzy. Turns out I also still have a set of Beretta-made smooth hardwood grips from my ca. 1985 original and they even fit. They’re scratched up and one is chipped, but I may refurbish and install them even though the checkered plastic originals are more practical.
The dealer had a magazine in stock, so I picked that up too. Now all I need is a trip to the range.

I love Bobcats!
Now, let’s make it quiet! I’m all about not bothering the neighbors, doncha know.

If you’re not familiar with our world, this guyhas a little review with a Thompson Machine Wasp on his…

That’s really weak coffee.
You can see through it.

The 21A really is a great little gun. There’s nothing else of the type that offers that much quality at that price point. A lot of folks who spent the same kind of money on one of Walther or SIG’s cast zinc and plastic pieces of shit would have been far happier with the aluminum and steel Bobcat if a small DA .22 automatic is what they want. I smile every time I look at my new one. It reminds me of when the world and I were younger.

Why do you say the Sig is a piece of shit? Just curious, as I just bought a Mosquito, as noted above. After searching the net, I found good performance reviews of the piece.

I don’t normally like to jump on people’s choice of products - doing so generally makes folks defensive and unlikely to believe you or listen to reason.

That said, gun guys have known for years that the Mosquito has been nothing but trouble for many, many people. Mostly the materials and workmanship, but ammo feeding as well. Slides break, safeties fail, and more. Use the Google machine and search Sig Mo and the first thing that pops up is Sig mosquito problems. Very telling just by itself.

Sig-Sauer makes some of the finest pistols I’ve ever shot. I have several.
The Mosquito, however isn’t actually made by Sig - it’s made for them by Umarex, as is the Walther P22, another problematic .22 pistol.
Certainly there are satisfied Mosquito owners, but I’ve never met one.

Recently, my FIL bought a Diamondback .380. His research satisfied him, he liked the trigger pull, and I couldn’t talk him out of it. He’s been a gun guy for 40 years longer than me, so what can you do? After 3 returns to the factory for problems, he traded it for a Sig P-230 last week. The Sig shoots perfectly, even though it’s heavy as hell for a .380!

YMMV.

Ducati covered everything I would have said.

I just added a new family member to the rim fire collection yesterday…

A tiny little Beretta 950 Minx in .22 Short, 6+1 rounds, tip-up barrel, and even though it’s tiny, it balances and points well for such a diminutive gun

It’s a 1965 vintage, made in Italy, and is in 90% of new condition, and runs flawlessly

It’ll be a range toy, plinking and walking around the farm gun, it simply disappears into the watch pocket of my jeans, you could never tell that I had a gun on me

I’m only going to pocket carry on my property, as I don’t yet have a concealed carry license yet

Googling “Sig Mosquito” there are nothing but good things in the first page.
Just sayin’. I don’t have a dog in this fight.

How much does the license for a suppressor cost?
I’d guess about a million bucks, and the cops would come dig up you back yard every month looking for bodies.

Well, crap. I’m stuck with it now, I guess, although it’s likely I’ll never fire it.

Send it to the Carnivorousplant Home For Unwanted pistols. :slight_smile:

Yes, I stole that.

Don’t get me started on those drunken bastards at the CHFUP.
The DHFUG is well-respected around these parts. They’re who you want to deal with, although we do draw the line at Lorcin and Raven. You can send them to the CHFUP or the Glinley people.

You’re never stuck with a gun. Somewhere, someone will want it. My earnest opinion is do some more research and decide on keep or trade. I would trade it for something more reliable and just call the loss you suffer - maybe a hundred bucks or less - a lesson on doing due diligence.

It’s not an awful gun, but no one deserves to have the slide crack in just a few hundred rounds.

Just let us know what your mission/purpose is for a .22 pistol, and we’ll all tell you how to spend your money.:smiley:

I need to start an NFA AMA thread to address these things…

There is no “license” for NFA items: machine guns, suppressors, SBR (short barrelled rifle) and SBS (short barrelled shotgun)
There is a** one-time **transfer tax of $200 per item or condition.

So, your hit-man entry fees are as follows:
pistol or rifle: $250 & up
supressor: $250 & up
ATF tax: $200

Now remembering that Mama Ducati always said never get the cheapest doctor, lawyer, or condom you can, I’d add suppressor to the list. MyAAC Elementis King of The Hill in .22 rimfire suppressors. There are a couple of others who come close, maybe even better in some opinions. Expect to spend 350 - 450 on one.
My AR-50 now wears a Cyclops. Yeah, you can still hear it, but if you’re downrange, you’ll never pinpoint the source.
Now, if you decide to sell an NFA item, the buyer will have to pay another $200 tax to the ATF. He sells it - another 2 bills, ad infinitum.

Some folks think that when you own an NFA item, the ATF can come search your home anytime they want to “check compliance” or something silly like that. This is simply not true. If you are an FFL, the ATF can come look at inventory and paperwork during business hours with notice.

Here’s a little more information

Thanks for the info.
Much more money than I want to spend.
Sorry if I pissed you off.

The gun is purely a precautionary measure for when we go on an RV trip, and as a distant second, home protection. In Alaska, the 12 ga. made sense for bear protection. Down here, I’m more concerned about the human element and possibly small critters. I don’t feel a canon is necessary to deter an intruder or somebody who is threatening. I doubt that I’ll do any target shooting, as it just doesn’t interest me much anymore.

To sum up: I’ll never put several hundred rounds through it. In fact, I doubt I’ll ever fire it unless my safety is being threatened. Surely, for this type of extremely limited prospective use, this gun is adequate? I would still appreciate a recommendation, just in case I change my mind and decide to take up target shooting again.

1937 Winchester model 69 with original scope.

Have owned it since 1960.

Back in the mid-80s, at camp we shot .22 rimfire rifles (with the occasional centerfire). Over four summers I worked my way up the NRA accuracy awards to Sharpshooter, Bar III. That was the highest award I recall any camper ever earning while I went there.

That being the case, I think you might be better served by trading the Mosquito in for a .22 revolver. S&W and Taurus make some very nice ones. Better quality automatics than the Mosquito can be finicky about ammo and lubrication, and if you aren’t going to fire it you’ll have no idea whether it will actually work should you need it. A revolver is much more forgiving and, as long as the ammo has primer and powder in it, the gun should fire.

All tongue in cheek, my dear! Uncle Duc isn’t mad.

Chefguy: Heavens, no. A .22 is for plinking, playing, shooting rats in the barn or dump, and introducing folks to a gun. Only as a last resort would I use one as my go-to self-defense weapon. Will it kill someone? You bet. Will it drop a intruder/rapist/attacker in their tracks before they can get to you with a club/knife/gun/fireplace poker? No.

If your main purpose is to stop a bad guy, you’ll need something more substantial.
I’m not going down the 9mm/45 Path Of Contention for brevity’s sake, though either one will suffice. You can research that debate somewhere else.
We don’t want a level playing field. We don’t want wounds that prove fatal 2 minutes or 2 hours from now while Chet* drives home. We want Hollywood foolish: flying backwards, knocking over cars kind of power.
No, for just having around the house and RV, I believe simplicity is best. A .357 revolver properly loadedwill stop virtually anyone with 1 or 2 shots. I’m also liking the new .410/45 Colt revolvers that are out as well.

My wife has a Ruger GP-100that she loves. The size and weight tame recoil tremendously, plus you can use .38 Special rounds in it to practice. .38 is cheaper, and has much less power and recoil. Shoot a few to get the feel of the gun, then drop in some .357 to see what happens.

The GP-100 is a bit large for some folks. If your wife/GF/teen/SO/petite roommate wants in on the party, that’s fine. The Ruger SP-101 is smaller, lighter, and will still take down a linebacker on meth.
Taurus and Smith & Wesson make several even lighter revolvers in .357 that you will find more affordable. But really, who can put a price on your family’s safety? Not me. Let’s go nuts!

Taurus came out with a family of revolvers a few years ago chambered in .410
Yep, that’s the .410 shotgun roundyou’ve heard about.
They will also fire the .45 Colt round as well, which is equally deadly.

Smith & Wesson introduced their take on this recently, The Governor. I love it, and plan on getting one. .410 shotgun shells, .45 Colt, AND .45 ACP - you know - like a .45 Auto!
Train cheaply with the .45ACP, then load 2 of each and wait for bad guys to come along.

Quality firearms are not inexpensive, I know, but you don’t have to sell a car or become a weekly sperm donor. Poke around pawn shops and gun shops for a nice used S&W 586 for about $350 or so, or look on Gunbroker.com. Take your time and you’ll find a good deal.

Keep the Sig for shooting tin cans, or better yet, trade it for a Ruger Mk II or MkIII, or a S&W 317 and you’ll have it forever, and leave it to the kids or grandkids. I have all 3 and I love them as well.

You got questions? Let us know.

Gonna have to differ with you on the .410 revolvers, Ducati. While the .45 Colt, in anything better than SASS loads, is no slouch for self defense, my experience with .410 handguns is pretty dismal. I didn’t chronograph any loads, but shot loads weren’t too much out of Red Ryder velocities judging by the lack of damage and bouncebacks when fired at wooden targets. .410 slugs weigh about 85 grains or so, IIRC. This puts them right around the same weight as you would see from a .380 acp bullet. The .380 is considered a minimal self-defense cartridge and I question whether a .410 could even match .380 velocity when fired from a revolver.
The .357, though, now there is a really versatile gun.

Alas, I own a Smith .357 model 28, a WWII military 1911A that my father carried, and an old Hi-Standard 22 auto. Unfortunately, all three are in a taped up box in my former mother-in-law’s house, which is presently occupied by her son, who has some mental problems and won’t allow anybody, including family, into the place. There they’ve sat for the last 25 years, beyond my grasp. :frowning:

The gun is a deterrent. I don’t want to kill anybody, just send them packing. Put enough rounds downrange and most people get the idea quickly. Sometimes just showing it is enough. If I wanted to seriously fuck somebody up, I’d have kept the 12 gauge and the 00 buckshot shells. I may look into a revolver at some point, but for now will probably just stay with the Sig. We’re very security conscious (I’ve had police and other security training), so I’m not too concerned about invasion while we’re home. On the road, it’s more likely to be burglars who will hit the rig while we’re out. RV parks tend to have a lot of eyes watching out, though.