The 2nd Presidental Debate October 7, 2008

As do I, and I pray for McCain to let a racial slur slip. :slight_smile:

Except TR ended his days as a (BM).

When McCain gets Bin Laden, will he get his little dog too?

Please note that I said “whether intended or not”. My mother used the term “colored” all her life; it was a generational thing. The fact that she had no idea it was offensive didn’t make it any less so. I believe McCain is either disconnected from reality, or his political judgment is seriously impaired. “That one” is no less offensive than “those people” in the political arena. While on the low end of the racist spectrum, one would hope that he would have better judgment than to use the phrase as he did in this day of parsing every spoken word.

Ditto. I dislike McCain and I’m not surprised some viewers took it as racist, but I really don’t think it was meant to be explicitly or implicitly racist. For that matter I don’t even think the guy who yelled “Kill him” at a Palin rally in Clearwater was necessarily being racist, just hateful. (While I don’t believe that reflects the views of the campaign itself, I can’t believe the McCain crew has passed up the golden chance to disavow him.)

I know that McCain has a lot of sharp, scary teeth, but, “PresiDENTAL?” Hee, hee, hee!

Well, I dunno 'bout McCain, but a group of pro-Obama folk decided to ask Palin some questions today at a rally. They knew they wouldn’t be allowed to speak, so they got inventive with some “newer” technology. Check this out-I can’t stop laughing at their boldness and their questions.

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I don’t find the “that one” racist, but I do find it dismissive and contemptous-very inappropriate for senators (or anyone). I have figured out who McCain reminds me of: a petulant 12 year old who doesn’t want to go to Aunt Sadie’s and acts like a brat the whole time, just because. What is his problem? He’s sullen, snarky and bitter. I’d have more respect for him if he acted with more civility and just plain manners.

Hoo boy- that high tech heckling is genius!

I meant to ask earlier- why does this have to be a dig at Biden? McCain’s god a combover himself.

Is Palin trying to incite violence or is this just blog rhetoric?

Scrubs fans, you mean. Bob Kelso was using that one long before The Office was.

Who has two thumbs and doesn’t give a crap?

-Joe

(looks at the links posted in this thread)

Wow. It really is “a series of tubes”!

-Joe

Let’s go to the video!

Well first, my drinking game:

Obama:

  • middle class
  • McCain is right
  • understand this
  • hatchet and scalpel
  • let’s be clear

McCain

  • I suspended my campaign
  • Americans are the best workers in the world
  • maverick/reformer
  • bipartisan
  • new spending
  • earmarks
  • my friends
  • without precondition

Both

  • Main Street / Wall Street

Moderator

  • may I remind you
  • running out of time / sticking to the format
  • both agreed / signed agreement

OK now my reactions:

I thought those chairs they had to sit on were kind of awkward until I saw that they’d be standing up most of the time walking around.

In general, I thought their performance was about equal. I’m more a fan of Obama’s plan, but McCain also had a few good ideas. Obama seemed a little bit more proactive - he was constantly pointing out things about McCain, and correcting things McCain said about him. McCain did get in a few digs, but a lot of them seemed petty or tired or deliberate misleadings. Just in terms of debating skills, I would put them at about equal. They both did better than last time. Obama seemed more focused. McCain was a little more gregarious.

More subjectively, I think Obama presented better. He seemed a little more serious and straightforward, and yet still upbeat. Some of his high energy came across as nervous or high strung though, like he needed a smoke. McCain was positive in the sense that he was proud of the country and confident (maybe too casually so) in our and his ability - in the things that he said - but something about his demeanor was kind of sad. And a little old and fuddy duddy. His clenching his teeth and breathing (wheezing?) heavily into the microphone was a little disturbing. And the way he said ‘my friends’ really started to grate no my nerves.

The first half or so was fairly engaging. After the genocide question though, my ears started getting a little wonky and they both started sounding like the adults on Peanuts to me. I found my mind wandering and then I’d have to rewind the tivo and play it again several times.

The polls I happened to notice say Obama fared better, but I’m sure my conservative friend will inform me tomorrow that McCain won according to every body :slight_smile:

I’ve got to admit, I’m still unclear on his intent there, too. But any way you look at it, it was a strange remark. Either he was snarking on Biden for something completely unrelated to the issues, or he was making a self-deprecating remark that had the subtext of: I’m old.

Like I said earlier, McCain does have a sense of humor. He hasn’t showed much of it during the campaign, but he’s been on the Daily Show 13 times over the years. There’s nothing strange about him making a joke about his own hair loss. It’s not like nobody can tell he’s thin on top. The joke did fall flat, but the idea wasn’t so weird. He was trying to warm up a crowd that had been instructed not to warm up.

Huh?

At all three debates, the moderators have said the audience has been instructed not to applaud or otherwise voice support for either candidate. (It’ll be the same at Hofstra, I’m sure.) There was a little bit of laughter at one joke during Tuesday’s debate but otherwise they were very quiet.

Is it just me, or is it kind of creepy watching people sit there expressionless during the debates? I totally understand the need for decorum, but supression of expression just seems weird to me.

Wasn’t the audience made up of “undecideds”? I’m surprised they didn’t chew their cuds and moo.