And your point is… sorry, not getting it…
This can’t be real. If the campaign announced that they would have a fake swearing in at Mar-A-Laog and would only be removed by force it would be all over major media outlets.
I had a similar thought at first. But if you read carefully it says two very different things.
Trump won’t vacate the WH prior to Jan 20. OK. So far so ordinary.
And implicitly, any attempt to force him out before then would be met with legal, police, and if necessary military force. Not ordinary as in has happened on prior turnovers, but certainly within the realm of normal expectations if such a thing were to happen. i.e. any attempt to unseat any administration other than by impeachment should be stopped by the full force of the government.
The next paragraph says “Any attempt to remove the Trump administration will require force.” No date on that part. And the “Trump Administration” doesn’t exist after Jan 20.
So what does it really say? Like all good advertising, and all good legalistic weaseling, and most good propaganda, it implies more than it actually delivers.
The hotheads can view it as a promise to stop the normal handover and keep Trump in power after Jan 20. The cooler heads can read it as “Trump is making a who-cares point about the time from now to Jan 20 and will leave on schedule.”
And nobody can say which is actually intended to actually happen.
Not that anything Trump has ever said can ever be relied upon to be binding on him later. It isn’t even a suggestion of what he might do. It’s just noise. Perhaps carefully calculated noise, but it isn’t a useful prediction of actual behavior.
I guess I was just surprised that a journalist could put an outright lie in his article and the editors would let it stand. Journalistic integrity isn’t what it used to be.
You mean we really aren’t going to see Trump wrapped in chains and thrown into the street at the feet of Rachel Maddow…Darn, I was so looking forward to it!
ISTM that’s actually 100% Trump’s call. He can arrange for that to happen. Or he can choose to avoid that fate.
And the correct reply is “Well, OK, if you insist --”
ISTS we will be treated to some surprising attention getting devices between now and the end of January.
I just had a look at the website of The Floridian. I wouldn’t call their writers journalists. It looks more like a typical right wing propaganda outfit.
I don’t know that I would call “floridianpress” a paper of record.
If you scroll down to their about page, which claims “The Floridian is a statewide and national political media platform that covers, government affairs, elections, public policy, and campaigns on Florida politics.” you will note that even their own about page needs an editor.
You will also not that the “publisher” is listed as Javier Manjarres, who is also the author of that article, which I may also point out really could have used some editing for basic grammar.
I don’t think that this is a condemnation of journalistic integrity in general, just of this particular “journalist” and his vanity publication. It’s really no more than a blog that touts itself as a newspaper.
ETA: or as @FlikTheBlue said. You ninja, you.
Some of these crazier right wing responses seem to be focused on the idea that Trump will keep fighting to preserve his presidency right up until Jan. 20. It’s almost as if …
… they don’t understand that every other presidential election in US history has also been followed by a transition period in which the current president remains president, and that no one expects Biden to be president until Jan. 20.
It’s like they think the vast Dem-Socialist-Alien Lizard conspiracy wants Biden to be president now, and by God they’re not going to let that happen!
At least they can count it as a success.
Yeah really, I don’t know how many times I’ve said that no one is denying that Trump is President until January 20th, 2021.
But if Trump is going to run an entire pretend presidency out of Mar-A-Lardo, or whatever that tacky pile of peeling gold gilt and filthy carpets is called - well, that’s just too delicious.
I wonder if Pence will have a new career as a pretend vice-president - just when you thought he couldn’t be any less relevant. I wonder if pretend Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will try to get random people in other countries to form their own pretend governments so he has someone to negotiate pretend treaties with?
And he can really go off the rails now that he doesn’t have to deal with that pesky thing called reality. Rudy will be the country’s new pretend AG and he can pretend to indict Obama and George Soros every hour on the hour, like a cuckoo clock that leaks oil.
As much as I want Trump to just go away, this sounds delightful, like a kindergartner’s little tea party. I guess our country’s most famous 2 year old is growing up.
There’s a logical contradiction in that statement from the Trump campaign: their ceremony will be held in Florida, yet any attempt to remove Trump will be require force.
If Trump is in Florida, then he has [i]already[i] removed himself from the White House.No force required.
(And there’s no way he can walk back into the White House, there, or even land a helicopter anywhere nearby. .)
So maybe he can convince his base that from now on Mar A Lago is the capital of the USA, and hold a rally there…But he’s still an out-of-work ex-president.
So it sounds to me like all the tough talk from Trump and his staff is just a show—they are looking for a way for him to exit without admitting that he’s actually left. But he’s gone.
Well, he’s gone…for now.
He will be back in 4 years, and will probably win.
[hijack]The Dems will be forced left in response to their progressive branch, like Tea Party moved the Republican party. And if in addition to Progressives stoking fear of the dreaded socialists, the BLM movement produces a riot once a year under the Dem’s watch —then Trump will .win in 2024 . [/end of hijack. Sorry, mods.I won’t do it again]
Yeah, I can’t help but be somewhat amused by the idea of Trump taking his delusion to this level. I’m also hoping, in a “it would be funny if it happened even though it would be bad for the country” type of way that Trump has to be physically kicked out of the White House at noon on 1/20/2021.
It’s to the credit of the MSM that none of them has reprinted this, even under “News of the Weird.” Reporting on MAGA BS and conspiracy theories gives them a credibility, which they do not merit. Maybe the era of Ignoring Donnie and the Horse He Rode In On is beginning.
If that were to happen, I can picture some minor elected officials in very Trumpy areas of Western states – the odd rural sheriff here and there – pretending that the faux commands uttering from the faux White House are the legitimate orders of a “presidency in exile” like a WWII European government-in-exile in London.
“I’m arresting any antifa terrorists that come to our county” (actually non-white tourists driving through to elsewhere) “and holding them until officials of the real government come to take them to Guantanamo” (indefinitely, because the sheriff won’t recognize actual state or federal officers and Trump won’t be sending anyone). “Trump says wind power is dangerous and has to go, so in his name I’m knocking over every turbine in the county.”
Never discount the ability of Trump and Trumpists to make the ridiculous into the heinous.
This thread moved too quickly for me to be able to stay abreast of it.
Yep
It would be interesting to see Trump set up a shadow presidency, claiming to be legitimate, and run again in 2024. Then a state denies him ballot access citing the 22nd Amendment. Would Trump then have to admit he lost in 2020 to be eligible to run in 2024?