The American Middle Fucking Sucks

Traveling recently I had a dog hit on my snorkeling gear, and my crotch. Thanks for not checking my junk, Mr. Customs. I’m sure that they just teach all dogs to harass people from Florida. It’s in all the cop manuals, plus they watched Miami Vice as kids.

I find the little TSA thing on my bag.

My wife gets randomly wanded and searched.

Why all this attention to every single American? Simple, PC bullshit.

Here is a modern terrorist profile that works almost 100% of the time:

  1. Radical Muslim with ties to jihadist group.

Fucking brilliant detective work on my part, I know.

Sam… who exactly is it I’m offending? You? Do you flip overnight from “ys” to “no” based on one event? Do you consider yourself stupid? Are you telling me that it’s offensive to refer to the fact that * some people are ignorant? * Why? Do you contend that it is not so?

Exactly who is it you assume I’m talking to/about, and if you don’t self-identify as stupid, weak-minded, uninformed as well as unsure of your own opinion, and nobody else hanging around on a message board devoted to eradicating ignorance (which in itself implies the existence of same…perhaps Cecil should rethink making that so obvious, eh?) self-identifies as that… why should I pretend that there aren’t clueless people in the world? Hmmm?

Holy hell, the in-your-face, direct and personalized accusations of stupidity around here are non-stop, and I’m getting a ration of shit for talking about the mere fact that stupid people exist and seem to be answering pollsters?

Check your own knees, methinks.
And as to your second paragraph: why? Because I’m the one annoying you this week? Maybe you really ArE the people I’m talking about in the OP…

Wow! That’s a leap worthy of Evel Knievel! I find ignorance irritating, ** * and I remind you of STALIN? * **

I stand amazed.

Sam, if you’ve got your Open Minded and Non-Partisan Certificate handy, might I have a quick look? Because frankly I think you’re standing to make such criticism is at best shaky.

John, you’re under a misconception, I think. The “lefties” (if such a creature truly exist) are not much concerned with the whole “small/large” government thing, we think that’s mostly an ideological chimera, something for Tighty Rightys to argue with Libertarians about.

“We” value equality and freedom, as compared with those who regard property rights as Divinely inspired. If this can be best achieved with small, efficient government, so much the better.

It is our understanding of history that the ideology of “small government” has mostly served the purposes of deregulation and environmental degradation, by men who would rather make money than breathe. We regard this as short-sighted. As well, it has served the purposes of men who’s primary political goal is to ensure that the rich and powerful remain so.

This is not to say that the theory of “small government” is faulty, only that it serves malign purposes. Hence our suspicion, however unwarranted it may be in your particular case. Frankly, I don’t give a rat’s patootie about the size of government, only that all have a equal share of the decisions, and the bounty, of such government. Isn’t that what “consult for the common good” means?

Why don’t we just scrap the pretense of having a representative democracy and just install an absolute monarchy? King Dubya I, *Rex et Imperator Americanorum per Voluntam Dei! That will please the Pubbies, who have amply demonstrated their contempt for the electoral process and for popular sovereignty in general. In addition, the vast mass of the American people won’t have to be nagged about their civic apathy and can return to their bovine gazing at their softly glowing TVs.

Here’s the portion of your OP that I take the most issue with:

From this I gather that you find the vast majority of the general public to be idiotic and unworthy of taking part in the decision making process in this country (‘YOU idiots are the ones who make the difference’). Ergo, voting should be limited to a small select elite who fit your criteria of non-buttheadedness. Now I’m not going to godwinize this thread but what other prominent 20th century political figures have spouted similar philosophies? Hint: look at almost every major atrocity committed in the last century or so and you’ll find exactly this type of thinking behind it. I–unlike you–have faith that the American public isn’t weak-minded and/or ignorant. Sure, there are a few issues that I am in the minority on but I trust my fellow citizens to help me ensure that everyone continues to have input no matter what the issue being discussed is. This contempt for ‘the people’ isn’t healthy Stoid and you’re not fighting ignorance by calling people idiots. I’m surprised that you can’t seem to see the arrogance in you OP. Take off your freakin blinders and start trying to communicate with ‘the public’ rather than just shrieking at them and you might actually see they’ve got valid ideas just like you do. Ranting just to hear the sound of your own voice may be gratifying in the short term but if you want to actually make a difference you’ll need to respect the people you’re talking to. NOw I’m going to be perfectly frank here: on the rare occasions I’ve read your threads you’ve always come across as a blow-hard (note: I don’t distinguish by ideology on this board or anywhere else–I separate people by their degree of fanaticism) so I’m not holding my breath but, you see, I’m trying to fight ignorance here. Think about it.

That’s actually what I meant, so I obviously didn’t explain myself well. Maybe not so much equality, but freedom (in this case from the emotional knee-jerk reaction of the “idiotic” majority) is best served by a limitted government in a democracy. So perhaps it would have been more accurate to say that the OP is one argument that can be made for limiting the size and scope of government. Of course, I didn’t actually expect you “lefties” to be converted by my brilliant analysis anyway.:slight_smile:

How do you gather “vast majority” from my clearly referred to 10%? Could it be that you are eager to be offended?

Well, since your premise is clearly false and has sprung from your own mind, quite deliberately ignoring what I specifically and clearly said, the “Ergo” is yours, not mine. Especially since I was, later in the thread, extremely specific about what * ** my ** * “ergo” was, vs. yours and everyone else’s who wants to feel all put upon.

What philosophy is that? The one in your head? I duno, it’s yours, you tell us.

Again I ask… do you believe the entire American population to be free of ignorance? Free of idiots? And again I point out: I was hardly scooping the majority of Americans into my bag. Do pay attention. Also again (damn it gets tiresome repeating oneself because other people are too busy projecting to read), this is the Pit. I came here to rant, and that’s what I did. I’m under no obligation to frame my every utterance and thought as though I’m running for office.

A word of Holiday cheer for gobear.

’Bear, my friend, everything has a cycle. I know you and I have widely divergent views about politics, but I also know that we can agree upon this one thing: this Bush guy has gotta go. We’re not the only ones.

In fact, right now is probably not the best time to be a White House Republican, because unless they are all as witless as their collective actions suggest, some of them have to be seeing the writing on the wall.

They say that a fleet is only as fast as its slowest ship. Right now, the convoy that is America is currently taking its direction from the rear of the column, know what I’m saying? Many of the rest of us see that.

Here’s some of what the Bush Administration is facing in the coming eleven months.

At least 3.2 million Americans have lost their jobs under the Bush Administration, and that’s likely created a permanent and irreparable rift between many of those potential voters and Bush. Weasels will roll about in the bag as they always do, like Annenberg does here by focusing on the net job loss under Bush. That spin doesn’t do jack shit for the guys–like me(and, as it happens, every single one of my professional friends in the DC area)–who lost their jobs and much of their savings in the past three years. We will remember, as will the family and friends of those three million.

Those tax cuts and that “dividend tax relief” are doing exactly what Evil Al Gore said they would: they’re making the rich people richer and they’re not doing shit for the rest of us. Did your office even bother to throw a holiday party this year? For most of us, we’re working harder, for the same money, with less job security and fewer benefits, and with a bountiful mistrust of our corporate overlords–overlords who are, quite obviously, big supporters of George Bush. Here’s a telling example: take a look at this alleged internal memo from AT&T. “Congratulations peons! Dividends are up 27%, and you won’t be getting a raise until 2005.”

Almost all of you Americans have by now been adversely affected in some way by the Bush Administration, or at least you haven’t had delivered what was promised. If you work in education, you likely know that the No Child Left Behind Act is underfunded by $8.4 billion this year. If you’re a first responder, you know that your responsibility has increased, your personal safety has decreased, and that’s not gonna change unless the man in the Oval Office changes. If you care about healthy forests, you know that these days it’s all about a healthy timber industry. People who wanted to restore dignity to the White House now have to question whether “Republican” really is synonymous with “dignity.”

And, lets also not forget that deny it though they emphatically do, the Republican Party is the de facto champion of racial division, Christian revival, and homophobia. Nobody who has actually basked in the arctic sunshine of “compassionate conservatism” has any doubt about what it really means now.

In 2000, Bush had a clean record and a bright future. In 2004, Bush will be facing literally millions of people who have been personally fucked over by his irresponsible policies. The fleet is moving too slow for the seas, many of us are foundering, and even some of the smarter rats are showing signs of jumping ship.

Bush’s one job in the next eleven months is going to be silencing your voice, distracting you, and making you fear the other guy more than he, all in the hopes that you will stay away from the polls. Let him get close enough and he’ll steal it again, but you, the millions who discovered that he’s offered a proctologist’s prescription for an ailing national heart, stand in his way.

All you have to do, every one of you who sees things the way we do, is resolve to not let him get away with it. Not again. You are legion. He is but one incompetent man.

Happy holidays, and best wishes to all.

Nope–from you OP:

From your title: The American Middle Fucking Sucks This isn’t my language Stoid, this is yours.

I assume this is the 10% ‘correction’ you refer to:

So 10% of the population (roughly 28 million people) are unfit, in your well-informed opinion, to vote? And you’re getting this from 2 polls? And you have no problem with this?

Didn’t think I needed to spell this out but you might want to take a look at German history 1918-1945, Russian history 1919-1990, Cambodia in the 1970-1980’s and pretty much any other area where you see people getting butchered in large numbers. There are different leaders (if you want to call them that) involved but they all share your distain for ‘the people’.

Re-read what you wrote Stoid and try to see how others could perhaps construe this as an attack on the American citizenry (or at least 28 million of them) on the basis of some very, very flimsy ‘evidence’. And you are, of course, free to rant but don’t act shocked and appalled when people call you on your bullshit. Posting in the Pit isn’t a license to be a dumbass after all.

“I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.” --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:278

“…a proctologist’s prescription for an ailing national heart…”

Black and Decker Power Drill, 3/4 " bit?

(Cool line. Consider it stolen.)

Personally, I find contempt and hatred for average people a little bit scary. That’s just me. If you can’t see the link between hatred and various and sundry nastyness up to and including totalitarianism, I guess there’s no point arguing with you.

You never answered the question.

If you can conclude that I’m singling out “average” people for contempt and hatred, then I guess there’s no point in arguing with you.

Wabbit: Pause a second. Seriously.

There’s a distribution of opinion in the US. Left, right and center.

Within each of these groups, there are the “easily swayed”.

Stoid was focussing her attention on the, “easily swayed”: you know, those who change their opinions of G.W.B. with each media event.

<<Scylla has indicated that this group is actually vanishingly small, and that these swings are an artifact of the polling process. Actually, his point is more sophisticated than that, but let me continue.>>

Now, it’s a little awkward that those who know least about politics are liable to be “swing voters”, and therefore are best positioned to decide the fate of the free world.

But to point out that our dependence upon this “vast chunk” (and yes, 10% is vast, though not a majority) is sort of pathetic really shouldn’t get us hot under the collar.

(Though, again, it could be argued that a 10% shift in polls would not translate into a 10% shift in voting behavior: Stoid may be misinterpretting the data. Or not. At any rate, there’s little reason to get peeved.)

Not to cause a big ta do or anything gobear because I both like and respect you, but if I were to post something like

“why don’t we just abolish all families and outlaw marriage! That will please the gays who have amply demonstrated their hateful amoral natures and contempt for heterosexuals in general.”

Would you take offense if I said something like that?

Seriously, not a fight or anything, just something to think about.

If the Gay Party had a record of supporting candidates that hated heterosexuals, had an official partry platform plank that sais that heterosexuals deserved no civil protections, AND if they had used the courts to suppress votes being counted that would have elected a heterosexual candidate to the presidency, then you might have a point.

And I’m mystified on why you think making an issue of my sexuality has any relevance to this discussion . . .

The last straw for me was when the GOP sent thugs to Florida to firghten and intimidate the vote counters. . . that behavior is unworthy of the party of Lincoln.

Horseshit. The OP quite clearly states “vast chunk of America.” Stoid hates people who don’t think like her. She’s made this amply evident over the years. This thread is merely another chapter in the same spiteful serial. Expect the next installment soon.

And horseshit on your equating 10% with vast. The actual quantity may be vast, but 10% ain’t. No fuckin’ way.

You get a 10% raise, would you consider that to be huge? Gas prices drop 10%, is that huge? Nope, and nope. Horseshit.

Oh for chrissake… For the record no, I do not feel that there are no idiots and/or ignorant people in the United States. These morons do not, however, make up anywhere near 10% of the population. Clear?