I was feeling bad for Jenn when she was talking to the women from Genworth. It looked to me like she was just trying to elicit their opinions about some logistical things, find out what they expected – but they acted like she was shirking.
I liked Jenn at the start of this season. Like others have said, she kept herself above the fray, the personal, backbiting, Survivor-type crap. She seemed calm and centered and competent.
But I agree with what Trump and others here have also said, that she allowed Trump and the Levis people to give her more credit for the success of that task than she deserved.
She hasn’t stood out in any of the tasks (except for the Levis task and when she was on air at QVC). Maybe that’s editing – maybe she was just quietly working and watching while the others whined and fought and were outrageous for the cameras.
As for Chris Webber being a no-show – if he truly doesn’t show up, can anyone see Jenn being asked why she didn’t make him sign a contract to guarantee his appearance?
I wish they would have brought Rob back to help. He was great when they were refurbishing those houses.
<sigh>. I guess I have to agree here. If she hadn’t asked those questions, they probably would have complained that she didn’t care about their input. I think she’s on better ground this way, because she can say (with some honesty) that she wanted to be quite certain that the sponsors of the event were happy with how it was planned.
Yeah, she’s up the creek if Webber doesn’t show and she didn’t get a contract.
I’ve made my opinion of Jenn pretty well known, I just cannot stand her. I don’t care for Kelley much as a person, but he has been the class of the season so far, and Trump said as much last night. Without a formal education Sandy was dead in the water, even though Trump made it seem like his major reason for getting rid of her was that she didn’t behave like my 7 year old daughter, I was disappointed in him for that. Unless Kelley falls on his face completely, he should not lose.
HOWEVER, my cynical side is thinking gender equity all the way, and Jenn will get the nod for being the best of an absolutely horrid class of female applicants.
Quick point to ponder. I think we can all agree that Apprentice 2 was seriously lacking in comparison to the first.
I think we can all agree that Survivor is extremely stale (evidenced by me not even watching at this point).
How great would it be if Mark Burnett cast a group for Apprentice 3 and a group for Survivor: The Next Tropical Island. Then at the flight to send them off, just switch the 2 groups to the other show. Frankly, I think that might lead to two of the most entertaining shows ever created.
Can you imagine a type like Maria crawling through mud? I think people would love to watch these self-important twits have to succeed in grime rather than Trump’s garish opulence.
Can you picture Twila in the final round of interviews or Ami’s passive-aggressive female dominance melding with the need to lead a successful team? The TV audience would probably really enjoy seeing normal people handling themselves in extraordinary circumstances.
But the right way to do that is to say, “Here’s what we have planned. Is this something that’s acceptable to you?” Not, “What do you want me to do?” Which is telling them that you haven’t given the matter any thought at all.
But that’s what happened. Jenn said, “We’re going to do this,” and the sponsor made a face of disgust, and Jenn asked for clarification, and the sponsor smacked her down.
I doubt very much that would have been Jenn’s responsibility. It seemed like all the major pieces of the event were in place prior to the Apprentice Wanna-bes showing up.
But wait a minute: I thought it was telling who they didn’t bring back: Wes, Maria, Andy, Ivana, Kevin, and Sandy. The last six people fired. Hmmm…
Wild prediction: These six people will have some major role in next week’s finale. Possibly as graders of some sort, but I’m betting on a last-minute integration of three more people into each team.
Regardless of your take on whether or not she stole credit, the above words are provably false. Clearly Jenn COULD RESPOND to that question and did a better job of it than Kevin or Ivana, because it was not they but she who was praised for her delivery in the presentation. She is just a better presenter than they are, and she helped her team win by talking when they were doing a bad job. But stealing? You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. [/Inigo Montoya]
That philosophy might work in the military or as a slavedriver, but in the real world people can get another job. If an employee fears the boss, how long does the employee stay in the job?
I’ll have to see if the Yahoo! videos have Kelly’s answer. That’d be interesting.
It’s very easy to say that she did a better job than Kevin or Ivana when Jenn jumped in and prevented them from answering. Very easy. And then, she got praise because she pre-empted them and explained how “they” came up with the wheel concept. A concept that she neither developed nor understood. She stole credit for Ivana’s idea by making it seem like the wheel was the product of her incredibly creative brain. It wasn’t - the wheel concept arose despite Jen’s lack of comprehension and support. She stole credit for the idea, plain and simple.
Uptight asshole or stupid bitch? Can’t…make up…my mind…
All the fun went out of the show for me when Sandy was fired. I was rooting for her.
I think the way to improve the final task (and the final episode) would be to invite all of the fired candidates back, and then allow each of the two finalists to choose only three. That way, they would have more of a selection, and Trump could see what kind of staff each would go for. Also, there should be some kind of prize for the winning team on the final task, just to make them want to work a little harder.
While I was rocking a screaming ValleyGirl back to sleep in the dark around midnight, I had nothing better to do than to ponder The Apprentice. (What on earth will I do when this show ends?!)
Some thoughts:
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[li]Everyone gives Jenn credit for winning the dog task, but I think that one task showed awful judgment. As a dog owner, I have to say that clipping a dog’s nails was a horrible idea. Super-lawyer Jenn should have realized that was a lawsuit just waiting to happen.[/li]
[li]I don’t know why everyone was so gung-ho about Kelly simply because he was in the military. I’m thinking of one person in particular who I know personally who was very successful in the military but is terrible in private industry.[/li]
[li]I think the thing that tipped me towards rooting for Kelly is his team. I hate to see him undermined by schmucks like Raj. Kelly does bear some responsibility for the picking and management, but really there’s only so much management you can do for people with no consequences who are determined to make themselves out to be characters (yes, I’m looking at you, Raj the comedian). They have shown no self-awareness so far in this show regarding the need to look good to future employers, so why should it change now? In my mind, they’re still hung up on making it look like they should have been The Apprentice. Maybe I’m remembering things wrong, but last year it seemed that the team members really wanted their teams to win, no matter who was PM. I think the “immunity” had something to do with this change.[/li]
[li]I don’t think that Jenn did anything so atrociously wrong with the sponsor seats issue. I agree with Rysler’s interpretation of the conversation. The sponsor seemed pretty whiny, IMHO.[/li]
[li]Finally, for those who commented on Pamela’s outfit – you really need to see the picture of her in Maxim. I posted the link on page 1 of this thread (and it’s now spoiler-proof, since Sandy is in the shoot but Jenn and other women are not). Pamela seems determined to make herself over into a sex symbol in some way that is painful to watch. You’re a smart, powerful, very successful woman, Pamela! Why the cheesecake?[/li][/ul]
Get real. Okay, she COULD respond… in the sense that she could open her mouth and say something. Heck, by that token, I could “respond” to any question on quantum chromodynamics, even though I know virtually nothing about that field.
What she could NOT do is give any sort of authoritative answer. Only Ivana was in a position to do so… yet that didn’t stop Jenn from “responding.”
As I said earlier, I think Raj saved the day on that task.
I don’t think that Trump’s advisors thought that Kelly was a good leader simply because of his stint in the military. Rather, they simply considered it to be a plus, and commended Kelly for a variety of other reasons as well.
Are we really having this argument again, replete with the snottiness? Don’t tell me to get real. You’re the one with this whole scenario where she COULD NOT respond, but whooops, she DID respond, and despite your denigration of that response, IT WORKED. She impressed the Levi’s guy with her contribution to that presentation. It matters not one jot that YOU were not impressed (which could have been a result of editing as much as her actual performance, as we should all know about this show by now)-- the people who needed to be impressed were. She helped her team win this task and did a damn good job of it. That is the end of the argument.
I actually didn’t. I really liked last year’s use of the internal Trump people, they know him, they know what he wants in an employee, they know the working atmosphere of the place and can more accurately judge how the contestants might fit in. And I really liked his executive assistant (I think that’s what she was) asking questions last time.
But it did seem like a waste of time when he basically kicked out Kevin and Sandy for having not enough business experience and not enough education. They could have been weeded out before the show even started for those reasons.
