What are the statistics for poor-on-middle/upperclass vs. middle/upperclass-on-poor?
Which is likelier to lead to criminal behavior: poverty or skin color?
A link does not prove cause and effect. And even if it did, you get to choose how narrowly to frame the context. Pull back a bit: what if the reason there’s a correlation between skin color and poverty/crime is because the middle/upperclass, which tends to be whiter than the poor, support a system which is likelier to keep a black person in poverty than a white person? Where’s your cause and effect now?
Narrow context: I punched a dude in the nose.
Wider context: he was trying to steal my goat.
In other words, what’s that saying about statistics . . . ?
Well what? The socio-economic factors have already been explained. Black people are more likely to be poor. Do you have an alternate explanation? What are you suggesting?
I don’t think anybody wants to see racist attacks (bar a lunatic fringe), I simply mean that people often view an event through the optics of their own preconceived notions, ignoring any evidence that doesn’t fit. And this applies equally to both sides of the political spectrum.
Well, what? I don’t think anyone’s arguing that there’s a disproportionate level of criminality among blacks. But that’s not the claim the OP made. The OP claimed that black criminals are deliberately seeking out white victims as an expression of racial hatred. The evidence suggests that criminals generally seek out whoever is most convenient as victims, and don’t particularly care what race they target.
In other words, a disproportionate number of black criminals is entirely different from a disproportionate number of white victims. The first is a documented problem. The second, not so much.
If you don’t already know this, Belleville is considered part of the greater STL area in terms of news reporting, etc. So the news reports from the P-D and TV/radio stations cover a large area not just confined to STL proper, including Belleville, which is 30 mins from downtown. News also covers 30+ mins away from downtown in the other directions. Because of this, it feels “local” even though it technically may not be.
You know, as a general notion I agree with what you’re saying, but in this specific case I feel pretty confident that my preconceived notions are based on a little more factual grounds than the preconceived notion that there are roving bands of blacks beating up whites and the media or the government or something is covering it up. So maybe it applies equally to both sides of the political spectrum, but I really don’t think being quick to cry white-on-black racism is rationally equivalent to being quick to cry black-on-white.
If you’re going to fucking say something, say it. I’m so tired of this racist veil dance that white people are so proud of using. Blacks are criminals? Is that what you want to say to the group? At least own your bullshit.
Oh, knob off. I just wanted to see someone explain to me how it is that a disproportionate number of white victims is accounted for by there being many more white potential victims, but a disproportionate number of black perps can exist despite their being far fewer black potential perps. Don’t put fucking words in my mouth, assmunch.
That would still mean that black criminals and white criminals are both more likely to target whites as there is a much larger pool of targets to choose from. Therefore more black criminals target whites then white criminals target blacks and it has nothing to do with racial hatred.
Blacks are more disproportionate as victims than are whites, that is to say, the percentage of the overall black population that are victims of violent crime is greater than the percentage of whites that are victims. Cite here.
Is it because you can be a perp more than once? Does it have anything to do with the fact that all interracial murders are only a little more than 1/5 of the total?
The number of white victims isn’t disproportionate. That’s the point. If 90% of the population is white, then one would expect that 90% of the victims of crime would be white. The proportion of white citizens to white victims is equal. It’s a situation that doesn’t need an explanation. On the other hand, if 10% of the population is black, and 50% of criminals are black, then there’s something odd going on there.
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So how far out does this feeling extend? Because I grew up in St. Louis and never “felt” Belleville, Granite City, East St. Louis, Alton, nor Columbia since they were 30 minutes away and on the other side of the big fuckin river.
Fuck that noise. You’re inviting everyone to put words in your mouth. Do you have something to fucking say about that data, or do you want to keep fucking prancing up to the line and then running away like a two year old? Do you have a point, yes or no?
Why does it really matter if it’s racially motivated? If this were two black kids or two white kids, no one would care, but somehow you get two people of different races and it’s either a big mess because it is racially motivated or because people are upset that the racial aspect isn’t there. You know what, I saw fights like that more than a couple times when I was in school, and no one cared, probably because it was two white kids beating eachother up.
Race is a really stupid thing to get in a fight over, but kids get in fights over stupid things all the time. And this is exactly the sort of stupidity that just makes that stuff worse because somehow starting a fight because someone made a racial slur is worse than because someone called the other’s mom a whore. How about we get at the heart of the issue and deal with the actual problem, which is the violence.
So really, this isn’t national news, even if it IS racially motivated. It’s just two kids fighting. Suspend the kid that threw all the punches, and possibly the one that took them if he did anything to instigate (I can’t tell from the edited video). While you’re at it, discipline the bus driver for not doing something. Even if he couldn’t do something to break up the fight (ie, no safe place to stop), he could have at least pulled over when he could and made the kids sit apart that might have prevented the second attack five minutes later from happening.
Probably as far as cable TV carries the St. Louis stations. Channel 4 right now has their anchorman at the high school! (he must think he’s Katie Couric), and has spent the first eight full minutes (and counting) of the newscast on the story.