I’m starting to think about all these SovCits/III%ers/etc are good at is making absurd legal arguments with a straight face.
Another document. This is a response to Ammon’s attorney wanting access to Malheur to collect evidence. They will, of course, allow access, but not until they make the place safe. One section describes the state of the refuge:
My favorite part “But despite losing, he continued in his scofflaw ways.” I don’t think I’ve ever heard “scofflaw ways” used in the wild before.
I’m tickled that a US Attorney used the word “ornery” in a legal document.
This probably won’t be interesting but in a few minutes there will be a livestream of the Grant County “Community Conversation On Opposing Violent Means To Political Ends.”
Long story short, Grant County is near Malheur and one Grant County rancher ripped up his BLM contract in solidarity with the Bundys. Now everybody’s afraid he will bring the next standoff to their area and, essentially, the whole county is meeting to talk about that one asshole.
Please let me add my thanks for posting this and other related documents, Fubaya.
And allow me to say that I agree 100% with Colibri’s post: that document is a thing of beauty.
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No, this Grant County is in New Mexico. From your link:
ETA: There is a Grant County in Oregon, and one in Washington as well, but this rancher, Adrian Sewell, is from New Mexico.
The problem is that there is a new kind of stupid in the world. It used to be that stupidity could obstruct social progress, but it usually lost the argument because it had no grasp of the facts, and no reason, on its side. Now, there is a new, strong, and aggressive kind of stupidity that asserts dominance by asserting that there is no such thing as being smart: that knowledge and logic are just tricks the “elites” employ to make them feel bad, and eventually they will win unless our children decide to learn and think and feel honestly, and vote accordingly.
Just passing them along. Someone else is posting most of the bundy docs here.
D’oh, you’re right, it’s not near Malheur. I knew that too, there have been articles about this for the past few days.
Yep. I especially liked the part myself when they came out and said we haven’t been sitting on this for years, we’ve spent a lot of time looking at evidence from the April standoff.
If I were one of the armed yahoos who supported Bundy back then, I’d be pretty nervous if there was any video of me.
Or Facebook posts, or text messages or emails or news articles/photos… some of these folks were so happy at having stuck it to the man, they were falling all over themselves trying to brag about it as loud and as often as they could.
One has a sense that whoever wrote that was both outraged at Bundy’s effrontery and barely suppressing his glee that they finally had the sucker dead to rights. 
Yes, and where the black and white law is not clear, then Canadian policy trumps foreign law.
Anyway, to get back on track again after the diversion into Canadian mundanity, a number of different beliefs (American cowboy culture, American evangelical Protestantism, American Mormonism, the American gun cult, American judicial originalism, American neo-confederalism, American radical right, American sovereign citizen movement) can all be seen in the Bundy matter. It’s part of the underside of American culture on display for the world’s entertainment. Thanks for a glorious shit show! We’ll have to put on one up here in Kanukistan illustrating our cultural foibles for you one of these days.
But at the same time, these are very real beliefs that are variously held by a great many people in the USA. It’s interesting how some belief systems obtain preferred status over other belief systems. (For example, guns and god were constitutionally protected early on in USA history, but everyman’s right never took off in the USA and universal health care is still struggling.) I’m concerned about the rigid approach many people take when dealing with conflicting beliefs, leading to greater polarization and alienation through entrenchment in positions. It’s too easy to look at something different and say “No way!” without first listening carefully and thinking carefully, taking the time and effort to try to understand why the difference arose, and then trying to engage with a view to resolving the difference before giving up and saying “No way!” The Bubbabundyites were all about latching on to one or more of the beliefs listed above while keeping their fingers in their ears, failing to recognize that their beliefs were in direct and severe conflict with not only logic and American law, but also with most Americans who are regular, bright, well adjusted folks who despite whatever cultural blinders they have (all of us from all cultures have blinders), actually engage their minds when interacting with the world, rather than dive down the rabbit hole of nuttitude blinded by belief. It’s as if the Bundy Bunch were stock characters from a Grade B movie placed on a dusty back lot to mechanically play out their roles, rather than real people with real depth.
Cliven should be sent to the Federal Supermax in Colorado and spend the rest of his life there. After all he doesn’t recognise the authority of the federal government so obviously he’s going to try and escape right? And he can’t be expected to follow the orders given by federal prison warders and he has a history of violent resistance to law officers. Obviously he’s going to be a difficult and dangerous prisoner, best not take any risks, supermax is the safest option for everyone involved.
Maybe him and Ted Kaczynski can get together and swap conspiracy theories? 
I think this is missing a lot of perspective, they may had depth, but very little. In the end the results are actually encouraging to me, in an election year not a single yahoo Republican candidate supported what the militants were doing (they showed some sympathy for some of their ideas, but that was just it).
The actual show of support (demonstrated also when many voted with their feet and ran away when the thing got sour) demonstrated that they were just a part of a fringe of a fringe.
Hmmmm…Guantanamo might not be a bad idea.
Or maybe exile him from the United States on navy ships, transferring him from one to another without ever returning to land, like Philip Nolan in The Man Without a Country.
I think the only reason none of them supported Ammon is that they got burned after Cliven turned out to be racist in 2014.
Nah. Don’t give him any special status. He should be just another inmate - no better, no worse. These people are, at heart, trolls. They crave attention and the worst thing you can do to them is ignore them.
It’s not so much that they’re trolls as that they have a persecution complex that is coupled with a superiority complex. It’s a dangerous combination because no matter what happens, they are the center of the universe; it’s a delusion that I’m sure proves extremely difficult to break.