One of the more hilarious doublethinks by “Sharon” on that website is that Finicum had a gun planted on him and that the occupiers were “gentlemen” who never fired a shot.
For days we hear and see nothing but stories about how these guys are all so proud about being armed at all times, and Finicum in particular makes a point of being seen to be so at every moment. But when he’s shot Sharon finds it necessary to kid herself the FBI had to plant a gun on him!?
It’s indicative of the psychology, somehow. I’m not sure I can put my finger on how. I think it’s as if the whole gun thing is a kids’ game to them; in which they are all playing at being cowboys and soldiers like in the movies, with big toy guns which they wander around displaying.
Then when shit gets real and one of them is shot because he has a gun on him and appears about to use it, they can’t quite believe it because, after all, they were just playing dressups. I mean sure, Finicum was armed - like every True American - but it’s not like he “had a gun on him” like some criminal would, right?
Well thanks, but I’m sure someone with more emotional intelligence than me could get to the heart of it more succinctly.
Actually I’ve just thought of an analogy: I think it’s like guns are their religious symbols in the same way the wafer and the wine are to Catholics. And then someday after proudly talking about the way the wine is the blood of Jesus Christ, suddenly police surround them during communion and arrest them for cannibalism. And they’re all stunned, like “but we were only being metaphorical with the whole blood of Christ thing!” Except the guns are actually real.
My impression is that guns are so much a part of their life and carrying guns seems so natural to them that they don’t have an emotional understanding that guns are seen as out of the ordinary and threatening and they don’t understand why the fact that they are carrying a gun adds to the crime somehow, anymore than wearing shoes or a hat does.
That doesn’t explain why “Sharon” and her ilk would feel a need to deny Finicum was armed and have to believe a gun was planted on him. Surely if what you say is right they would take the line of “well sure he was armed but that doesn’t mean he was going to hurt anyone”
Coyote predation is a big problem in that area, very common to pack guns around in case you happen to see one out on the range land. So it’s socially acceptable to have a rifle slung over your shoulder walking around town. Understand of course a vast majority of the people aren’t running around intimidating each other on a regular basis, they understand what happens to their gun rights when they’re convicted of a felony.
People who are carrying around a gun in case they can shoot a coyote generally leave them hanging in the back window of their pickup if the gun is not in use. They do not generally sling them over their shoulder in case they spot a coyote running around downtown.
Well, I’ve seen people carrying long guns down the street of a rural-ish college town several times. Most of the time I figured they were walking to the pawn shop with it (they were walking in that direction, anyway). I know of at least one that was stopped by the cops, questioned, and let on his way. It’s unusual enough that I’d look for a sec, but not so much I’d be alarmed or ready to call the cops.
The guy who was unloading a .22 rifle in the air, reload, repeat while walking down the street? He got a call to 911. If he had leveled the rifle at my apartment, he was going to be hit by some variety of rounds from myself and the roommates. He wisely pointed the rifle down the street while manually reloading three magazines that we saw him go through. He was actually arrested without incident about a block after our apartment.
So, most of the insurgents are going to be arraigned today. If it wasn’t for the sick, sad fools believing in their chances, I’m sure the proceedings would be humorous (and they might be in spite of that).
Princhester I’d say if you’re working on a model for a sane person to use in order to try to predict the behavior of these folks WRT firearms, you’ve got a beginning there. I’m not sure you’d actually want to get any more accurate than a model, though. Much like how you can’t argue a person out of a position that they didn’t arrive at through reason, I don’t think that you can truly think like an unreasonable person without somewhat damaging your own mind.
Religious icons or drugs would be an apt comparison without inhabiting their minds, though. In their almost-logic, it’s almost obvious he didn’t have a gun. If he did, he would have defended himself with it. The idea that it wouldn’t have been effective even if he could have pulled it is inconceivable
And now my frontal lobe is complaining. I’m going to go relax.
I agree that a lot of the delusion stems from this. They have created a world in which they are the wolves, laughing at all the sheep who fail to defend themselves - Finicum’s “novel” is pretty much entirely about that. The idea that a government employee could get the drop on Finicum is ridiculous. So either he wasn’t armed, or he wasn’t reaching for his gun.
The occupiers relationship with guns goes way, way beyond merely being familiar and comfortable with them.
“Sean” doesn’t tell “Sandy” to keep her weapon with her because a shooting war could break out at any time; he tells her that because carrying a gun is part of their religious garb. Sean doesn’t want Sandy to be seen by the other members of the religion as irreligious and suspect. The occupants rib the writer for being unarmed; which needless to say isn’t because they are worried he might miss an opportunity to shoot a coyote. The constitution is their bible and the 2nd amendment is to them what Mark 16:17-18(and a few other bible passages) are to snake handlers.