The Canadope Café 2016: The North Awakens

The Rebel is, as usual, blathering in probably intentional ignorance, ridiculing things with half-complete facts so as to make their opponents look stupider than common sense.

Greenhouses of course already exist in many places in Canada – even cold places where it snows a lot and winter daylight is short. The Canadian Space Agency, together with the University of Guelph and Com Dev, have been conducting experiments in cold-weather greenhouses for a number of years. From the first link:

Devon Island is, of course, far north of Winnipeg, the example used by Rebel to show that the Minister must surely be too stupid to know what she’s talking about.

In particular, there is a synergy between technologies for growing vegetables with solar power on Mars, and for doing the same in remote northern communities. Food security is an important concern in these communities, dependent as they are on expensive air shipments of food or annual sealift of non-perishables. And renewable energy is a big part of that security, given the typical dependency on expensively-shipped diesel fuel for electricity.

But hey, maybe those ‘Gotcha!’ journalists at the Rebel are smarter than McKenna, the rocket scientists at CSA and Com Dev, and the lab full of environmental scientists at Guelph, combined. In which case, go ahead and choose to believe she’s an idiot, but please disabuse yourself of the notion that a woman with a degrees in law, economics, and international relations, who’s been a senior negotiator for the UN, got the job out of affirmative action.

Remote communities lack fresh veggies, and flying them in costs a fortune.

Remote communities tend to use diesel as their primary power source.

Here’s what a lot of people are missing: diesel generators generate a heck of a lot of heat. Convert the generator shed into a greenhouse, use the otherwise wasted heat to heat greenhouse and some of the electricity to produce light. Shazam: fresh veggies all year round at far less cost than flying them in.

Now I’m not too thrilled about diesel as a primary power source due to it’s climate changing emissions, so I very much want remote communities to move to geothermal, but as it stands, heat from diesel is being wasted, and dietary habits in remote communities tend to be abysmal, primarily due to the cost of fresh food.

As far as the numbers go, they add up for most remote communities. Remember that although there are some remote communities in the high arctic, most remote communities are in significantly less challenging climates. Here’s a map. Also, while four season (bug, heat and bug, freezing rain and ice, balls freeze and crack off) growing is inherently limited due to the climate, incrementally increasing the existing growing season still provides a significant benefit. Have a look at what they’re doing in Alaska with simple greenhouse design without anything fancy.

A few years ago I sat on a board that reviewed a grant application for this sort of thing. The problem was not the cost – overall there were significant net savings. The problem was getting it off the ground, for the remote communities in the region didn’t have a pot to piss in (some literally), could not attract investment due to being judgment proof, and had abysmal project histories in general, so they were pretty much limited to projects in which the government was a primary player, but access to veggies was not high on any government’s list.

As technologies such as geothermal, wind and solar improve, it will be possible for remote communities to move away from diesel, in which case maintaining greenhouses would only be a matter of conversion away from diesel. And yes, our federal government is encouraging private industry to move remote communities into renewables and away from diesel.

It’s nice to have a Minister who is aware of what is going on and the direction in which we are trying to move. In the mean time, let’s start growing food with what we already have.

Please tell me that I’m wrong about things.

I voted for Trudeau (actually I voted for whoever was running for the Liberals in my riding) because I believed what he said. Granted it was a case of hold-my-nose and vote Liberal or hold-my-nose and vote NDP (this is second time in 20 years I’ve not voted NDP). But I believed what he said.

I was happy as a pig in shit when he won.

But now that he’s tried to usurp parliament, okayed the continuance of the fight against Veterans pensions, whiffed the ball on assisted-dying (see usurping parliament) is aiming at being inline with “the five eyes” - how ominous does that 1950’s-schlock-horror-movie sound- on passports (I admit that I don’t get the nuances) for border crossings all buoyed by his boyish good looks and charisma I’m just not sure.

After Harper’s reign I was looking forward to a breath of fresh air and it doesn’t seem like it’s coming.

I know he’s only been in office for a few months but those few months are showing signs of cynical insincerety.I’m losing faith and it sucks.

Please tell me that I’m wrong in my assessment.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. The most you can really hope for is that he does not fuck things up to badly that the next administration cannot fix.

what do you mean by usurping Parliament?

I’m curious - there was a Cabinet minister who resigned recently because of personal addiction problems. How come you didn’t criticise Trudeau then for appointing a minister simply because of their gender?

O Canadian Dopers, please have a look here and weigh in, if you wish: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=796103

The glass floor panes in the stacks (best described as glass catwalks tightly surrounding five-story book stacks) at Sig Sam / Gerstein library at U. of T. were installed well over a hundred years ago in 1910. Were they replaced in the renovations in the last fifteen years? Do they get replaced routinely? Have any broken? Are the some or all of the originals still in use?

Uh-oh, front page news from the top of Superior, and it isn’t good. The Finnish pancake grill at TBay’s Hoito has broken.

This very well could be the end of civilization as we know it. :eek:

BTW, the Finish Labour Temple where the Hoito resides was also built in 1910. A good year for Canadian architecture. (The Hoito – a co-op – opened up there in 1918 and still has people lining up for its delicious meals today.)

Ok, my Facebook feed is becoming cluttered with angst due to the updating of the lyrics to O Canada. The spittle flecked ramblings of insane strangers is not really giving me much to go on as to why I should be enraged. I just see a slight updating of the lyrics to be more inclusive under modern day sensibilities. Yes, I know that convention in the English language is that masculine forms include the feminine when referring to groups but when a perfectly good gender neutral option is available why not use it?

We can update the lyrics with little cost so I don’t see why we shouldn’t. This is upsetting as I love to be whipped to an apoplectic rage and annoy those around me with my ranting. Help me see where I’m wrong here.

The change is not in the same poetic register as the previous lyrics, so while less sexist which is great, the anthem is slightly less good as a poetic text.

I am not at all familiar with poetic registers. What registers are “in all thy sons command” and “in all of us command” in?

How long before we should expect society to break down? I need to know if it’s worth popping down to the garden centre to pick up a spearmint plant because I accidentally got a peppermint the first time round and you can’t make a proper mojito with peppermint.

It’s just how near or far they are to everyday speech.

“all of us” is a perfectly ordinary phrase. It’s a bit unusual to have it before the verb (“command true patriot love in all of us” would be more normal, though it’s still a weird thing to say.)

“all thy sons” is a phrase that hasn’t been used in everyday speech for centuries, so it’s a bit rarfied and poetic and nice to have in an anthem.

I’ll take equality over poetry, but it would be nice to have both.

I suppose “In all thy sprogs command” won’t do.

I always sing the French lyrics anyways since they’re way awesomer. I always imagine Canada as an epic bad-ass who beats up bad guys with a sword in one hand and a cross in the other. (The garland of flowers is not as bad-ass as the rest, though.)

I was appalled when I visited Montreal and saw the French words carved in the walls of the train station. Carry the cross and the sword? I will in no way support that kind of evil cultural imperialism. Maybe those words need to be changed too.

I still sing the words I learned at school and Cubs back in the 1960s. “In all thy sons” are, IMHO, valid lyrics, inclusive of everybody. Besides, under Charter s. 2(b), “freedom of thought, belief, and expression,” I’m allowed to sing what I want.

I predict that, for the next fifty years, we’re going to hear “in all bla-bla-bla command” at sporting and other events. Some will sing the new lyrics, and some, like me, will sing the old. Habits are a hard thing to break.

Maybe they do. I was surprised that during this whole debate about the English words, nothing was said about the French words.

Fortunately, I have the memory of a sieve, and I’m not a sports fan, so don’t recall what the lyrics were.