The “now” ship has sailed, after dumping its sewage. As for the future, if Hillary runs in 2020, I will vote for her again, as I did in 2016. And she will almost certainly lose again, as she did in 2016. Then we can refuse to accept that, and see where that gets us.
Are you suggesting that America is better off with what we have today?
I don’t blame Hillary for Trump voters. I blame Hillary for failing to inspire traditional Dem and Indy voters, in the face of the alternative.
Clinton’s biggest mistake was treating Sanders with the ultimate kid gloves. She knew she had the votes in the long run, and probably didn’t expect Sanders to drag it out even past the primary season. I still wonder how much the Russians were involved, it takes a strong stomach to read the anti-Clinton vehemence on Daily Kos and the Bernie sub-Reddit. In an election this close, there’s plenty of blame to go around. But, I think the #1 reason is Obama, left leaning voters staying home, voting 3rd party, or doing a pointless write in. I also think the last minute Comey letter caused a lot of voters to throw their hands up in disgust, they may not have wanted Trump but they didn’t want years of non-stop news about emails either.
Are you under the impression that that fact would not have been an adequate shibboleth with which to terrorize the electorate into actually giving the POPULAR vote to the America-hating fuckstick?
During the primary season, my daughter was insistent that it would not be; that the electorate would not be so easily manipulated by scary boogie-man bullshit.
But, oh, look. The very same electorate that was supposedly too intelligent to fall for that crap went and handed the Presidency to a candidate who patently hates America, and everything which it ostensibly stands for on its best day.
And this was as plain to see in the months leading up to July 2016 as it is today.
I love this.
If your side wins, turn up the smug. If your side loses, turn up the smug to 11.
:rolleyes:
It’s not smug; it’s plain truth that has been spoken. The American voters are repeatedly voting against their own interests out of ignorance and anger. They’re perpetually hoping to send a message and they end up just screwing themselves even worse. They’re voting for people who are hostile to democracy and hostile to a society that is equitable and based on the rule of law. There’s nothing smug about this. Depressing and shocking are probably better adjectives. I get that people don’t like being told that they’re wrong, but pointing out that their voting behavior is dumb and destructive in the long term isn’t being smug.
“We followed you before, and you took us down the path to defeat!”-Everett Dirksen to Thomas Dewey
“Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results.”-Attributed (probably falsely) to Albert Einstein
That he was a Communist*. That his wife had sketchy financial activities. That he refused to release his tax returns. Those are only a few, trust me they would have made shit up.
- How hard would it be for the Russians to make a Communist Party card with Bernies name on it?
How do you know what American voters own self-interests are? 
You cast your vote, they cast theirs. That’s how it works.
The only thing you see to be pointing out is that their voting behavior is dumb and destructive to you.
You lost. Get over it! 
The last time a major party candidate lost a presidential election, and then got re-nominated, was Richard Nixon. The last time a *Democrat *got renominated after losing was Adlai Stevenson. He lost again. I don’t think it’s going to be happening again any time soon.
How about from what they say they are voting for?
If someone tells me that good healthcare is their most important priority, but then they vote for the ebola virus, I can say they seem to be voting against their own self-interest.
Well apparently you can not release your tax returns ever and still become president.
Reminds me of some random comment section of a recent Hillary news story…
Hillary…“the evil of two lessers”
Yep, that sums it up.
Not just them. The blame also extends to those who *could *have worked and voted for the only viable alternative, and chose not to.
The blame continues to extend to those members of that group who are *continuing *to place the blame on that alternative instead of accepting some damn responsibility for their own decisions and their effects on us all. That means they’re at risk of doing something equally frivolous (at best, and it gets a whole lot worse) in 2020, with equally tragic results.
I don’t regret not working for Huntsman, because I don’t like to waste my time.
Anderson was a Republican.
He was arguably running against two crackpot Southern Democrats.
Anderson may have been a Republican, but his appeal was primarily to Democrats who bought the arguments against Carter but who also viewed Reagan as an unacceptable alternative. (I would point out that there was no state where Anderson’s votes would have swung the state to Carter.)
And you left out Perot.
People are also voting against attitudes they don’t like. You have to consider how to sell your message. Condescension doesn’t work.
There’s actually danger of a split within the Democratic Party due to Sander’s supporters and Clinton’s supporters blaming each other. Wounding people’s pride is counterproductive.
That article is spot on. For the first four words.
“Here’s your leftover turkey,” that is.
The rest is deluded nonsense. First, if we’re to accept the premise that sexism was indeed a factor that contributed to Hillary’s loss (and I’m not convinced this is true, but let’s assume that it is,) then logically the Democrats should nominate a man, not another woman.
I heard a lot of people saying, after the election, “this proves that America is too sexist to elect a female president.” Then these same people talked about nominating Elizabeth Warren in 2020. So they want to lose again?
Whoever the Democratic candidate is, should have absolutely the fewest possible weak points. If being female is a weak point, then the candidate shouldn’t be female. It sucks that sexism exists, but the Democrats should be concentrating on MAKING IT SO WE DON’T HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF DONALD TRUMP, not making a point about sexism.
The popular vote isn’t what wins the presidency. It just isn’t. The fact that Hillary won the popular vote just means that a lot of people in California and the East Coast are Democrats. Successful candidates campaign to win the electoral vote, not the popular vote. I have to give Donald Trump credit for this one thing: he campaigned his ass off in the Midwest and the Rust Belt, flying all over the place giving rally after rally after rally, day after day, week after week. He truly did put in the effort on that campaign trail. Also, his choice of Pence as VP was very smart. It shored up Evangelical voters, the people who would have preferred Ted Cruz; Pence on the ticket helped them put their trust in Trump. What did Tim Kaine do to help Hillary? The guy brought nothing to the table. He was a bland white guy who nobody cared about.
Personally, going into the election, Jim Webb was my guy. I was excited as hell about him when he first announced his candidacy. I thought, on paper, this guy is the clear Trump-killer. He’s a fucking Marine Infantryman; he’s pro-gun; those two things alone would have meant so much in bringing more conservative-leaning voters to vote D. I thought, “all he needs to do is choose a charismatic running mate who is a minority, female, or both, and they’ll squash Trump like the pile of shit that he is.” Then came the first debate and I was shocked and horrified to see Webb’s absolutely awful performance. “Well, that’s that.” I still maintain that if Webb had the right coaching, preparation, and campaign management, he probably could have done a lot better.
I knew Hillary was going to lose. I was disappointed, but not surprised, when she did. She ran a shit campaign. She deserves the loss. Now she needs to go the fuck away.