Wacked-out Nut Dob?
It’s the switch hitters that get everyone riled up.
:rolleyes: Dude, you’re citing American Thinker and FrontPage Magazine. Zero credibility – you do realize that, don’t you?! FrontPage is a David Horowitz organ, for Og’s sake!
So your link cites some elements of a disinformation campaign. And…?
Uh, you might take notice that their was a bipartisan commission that came to the conclusions I cited. It was headed by Sen. Patrick Moynihan. Are you disputing its findings?
How about the bipartisan report I cited? You got a problem with that, Mr. Close Your Eyes and Put Your Hands Over Your Ears for anything that doesn’t come from Media Matters or Kos?
What bipartisan report have you cited, that shows any connection between Abedin and the MB?
Daniel Patrick Moynihan? Gee, what reason might he have for supporting Joe McCarthy? Here’s a hint, it’s something Pat and Joe had in common with a lot of other US politicians, including all the Kennedy clan (except Arnold), Paul Ryan, Tip O’Neill, and Pat Buchanan, off the top of my head. And it’s a lot more likely than a multinational mutt like Huma Abedin being an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Yo, dawg, I heard you like conspiracy theories, so I put conspiracy theory in your conspiracy theory.
Oh fuck, it’s the Micks, ain’t it? They finally found something to agree on?
Yes, what about it? What does this report do to bolster McCarthy’s claims?
Let’s review what those charges are, according to Wiki:
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During a public speech on February 9, 1950, he charged that either 57 or 205 (the number he used has been disputed disputed) “known communists” were employed by the State Department. First of all, there is no way the Venona intercepts could have revealed that, as the channel was being used to convey reports of active spies, not to report membership lists of the Communist Party USA – that is, unless all 57 or 205 of them were reporting to Moscow.
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A couple of days later in a speech in Salt Lake City, her repeated the charge using the number 57.
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On February 20, during a speech on the Senate floor, he said there were 81 “loyalty risks” in the State Department.
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During a Senate hearing to investigate his charges, he named 9 specific individuals as possible disloyal State Department employees. They were:
Dorothy Kenyon – she was a political appointee to a term at the League of Nations until 1950, but never a state department employee. Even if you count her appointment as “employment” she was out before being named by McCarthy.
Esther Brunauer – in 1952, the State Department “Loyalty-Security Board” found her loyal but nevertheless a security “risk”, and dismissed her.
Haldore Hanson – no evidence at all was offered to support McCarthy’s charge, and he retained hi job until 1953, when he was laid off during staff reductions that were ostensibly not related to the charges against him.
Gustavo Durán – resigned from the State Department in 1946.
Owen Lattimore – an academic who consulted with the State Department on Chinese matters, not an employee of the State Department. Eventually charged with perjury for his Senate testimony, the main charges against him were thrown out by a judge before trial who commented that trying him on ‘‘formless and obscure’’ charges would be a ‘‘sham of the Sixth Amendment.’’ The government dropped all remaining charges.
Harlow Shapley – an astronomer who was never employed by the State Department, he was the President of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Frederick Schuman – a professor at William College from 1927 -1962, Schuman occasionally gave lectures at the state department, and was never employed there.
John S. Service – a State Department review board found there was “reasonable doubt” as to his loyalty and he was fired. Appealing the decision, he was reinstated in 1957 after a unanimous ruling in his favor by the United States Supreme Court.
Philip Jessup – his case is a little murkier. He advocated for some of the same policies and causes that the Communist Chinese and Russian governments were advocating for. He may or may not have been a communist.
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McCarthy made a speech that he later published as a book with the title America’s Retreat From Victory: The Story Of George Catlett Marshall. In it he claimed General Marshal (you know, the senior American military officer of WWII, author of the Marshall plan that rebuilt Western Europe, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize – that George Marshall) was directly responsible for the collapse of Chiang government nd the takeover of China by communists. Oh, and he also implied Marshall did this deliberately and was therefor a traitor.
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McCarthy had coined the phrase “twenty years of treason” to describe 20 of Democratic control of the White House. In 1954, he changed it to “twenty one years of treason”, to include the first year of the Eisenhower administration, because Ike was insufficiently anti-communist for him too.
Which among these charges were validated any of the three sources you presented – The Accuracy in Academia story, the Venona intercepts, or the Moynihan report?
And as to the Moynihan report, I looked up every single name of the 15 people suspected or convicted of spying on the page you cited. Please compare what I found out about them to the charges McCarthy made. Not a single one of these people, spy or not (and some of them were in fact spies) was employed by the State Department at the time McCarthy made his charges. In fact, at the time, only one of them was employed by the US government at all (the first guy on my list, an Army cypher clerk).
William Weisband – Army cypher clerk who informed the Russians that the US was reading the Venona cypher. Discovered as a spy in 1950, and convicted of failing to respond to a subpoena in November of that year. Never charged or convicted of any espionage activities, behaps because of fear that code breaking secrets would become public.
“Bentley” – full name Elizbeth Bentley, turned herslef in to the FBI in 1945. Not a legitmate target of McCarthy.
Guy Burgess – employed by the British government, and though he obtained American secrets, he was not a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
“Chambers” – full name Whittaker Chambers, begain informing the US government of his espionage activities in 1939. A chief accuser of Alger Hiss, and never employed by the US government (unless they paid him for his information. He was overtly employed by the Communist Party USA until he broke with them in the 30s, and was clearly not a legitimate target for McCarthy’s accusations.
Judith Coplon – arrested for theft of secrets in 1949, not legitimate target for McCarthy’s accusations.
Klaus Fuchs – a British spy who worked on the Manhattan Project. Confessed in January of 1950. Not a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
Harry Gold – implicated by Klaus Fuchs. Though convicted of espionage in 1951, he never worked for the US government. He was a courier for other spies’ information, and not a legitimate target for McCarthy’s accusations.
David Greenglass – a spy on the Manhattan project, later convicted, but out of government by 1946. He was not a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
Theodore A. Hall – identified by the FBI in 1950 as a spy who had worked on the Manhattan Project during WWII. Out of government after 1945, so not a legitimate target of Hiss’s accusations.
Alger Hiss – tried in 1949 for perjury related to to denying his espionage activities. Had nothing to do with McCarthy, except perhaps inspiring him to begin his witch hunt. McCarthy started making public accusations within weeks of Hiss’s conviction.
Duncan Chaplin Lee – identified as a spy in 1945, and publicly named as a spy at a HUAC hearing in 1948. Never indicted or convicted of any charge of espionage, because according to Wiki the Venona intercepts never provided any direct information against him, though his accuser at the HUAC hearing referred to him in some of her communications as the source of her information. Becaame an attorney in private practice after WWII, and though he probably had been a spy he was not a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
Donald MacLean – employed by the British government, and though he obtained American secrets, he was not a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
Kim Philby – employed by the British government, and though he obtained American secrets, he was not a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg – Julius was out of government by 1945, and Ethel was never a government employee, and though Julius was almost certainly a spy, neither were a legitimate target of McCarthy’s accusations.
Harry Dexter White – already dead by 1948, clearly not a legitimate target of McCarthy.
So tell me again, which of McCarthy’s charges were right?
Neither. The nexus between the two is the blog post that was cited. I addressed the McCarthy issue because he brought it up and presented it in an ignorant, but common, light. I don’t think that McCathy has anything to do with Abedin. If my post implied that there was a bipartisan report that spoke to Abedin, that was in error. My apologies.
Regarding that “bipartisan report,” see post #569. And post #549.
Can you guys start another thread for the McCarthy stuff?
Yes please. Thanks for asking RNATB.
It’s an autobiography?
You got me. I’m actually Michele Bachmann.
You have to admit, it explains a lot.
Hey, I didn’t out YOU, Mitt.
There is nothing crazy (or unusual) about doing what you have to to win in politics. Michelle Bachmann has celebrity because of her outspoken views, and that celebrity finances her campaigns..
That her xenophobic vomit finds purchase in the rotten carcass of cash wielding donors and money trumps shame to win the 6th Congressional District is hardly breaking new ground.
Pit or GD?
Giraffe Boards, preferably.