Hi there Beckda … I am or I try to be gender conscious which is why I said “space people” and not spacemen.
I am pleased you are a female.
Adios Amigo.
Howzit Voyager. Yeah I am aware of the Ezekiel scene in the bible. They did have access to Mount Sinai in Egypt though where Moses probably met an alien.
Hi NellieB … I hear what you say and thank you for your advice. However as this is Great Debates I want to differ with some of your views.
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When I posted this thread it was with the intention that it should be debated. I do not believe that I have “simply expounded …” as you put it.
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I am sure will agree that when debating whether aliens exist or not, cites in this regard are rather difficult to come by. Having said this it does not mean the subject cannot be debated.
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Much greater minds than Ms Paltrows have in one way or another said that there is a case for the existence of alien life forms. Among them Stephen Hawking & Carl Sagan.
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Whilst I cannot agree that I have made “biting comments aimed at other posters” I did commit a terrible* faux pas* by referring to Beck as “bro.” I have since apologised to the lady in question and my apology has been accepted.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
However: the Roman historian Aulus Gellius wrote (about 200 years after the fact)
“an enormous quantity of books, nearly seven hundred thousand volumes, was either acquired or written in Egypt under the kings known as Ptolemies; but these were all burned during the sack of the city in our first war with Alexandria, not intentionally or by anyone’s order, but accidentally by the auxiliary soldiers.” and
when the enemy endeavored to cut off his communication by sea, he was forced to divert that danger by setting fire to his own ships, which, after burning the docks, thence spread on and destroyed the great library.
— Plutarch,Life of Caesar[4] also
However, the editor of Plutarch’s translation notes that the “destruction of the Library can have been only partial”, and that it occurred specifically in the Museum built by Ptolemy.[4]
In the 2nd century AD, the Roman historianAulus Gelliuswrote in his bookAttic Nightsthat the Library was burned by mistake after the siege when some of Caesar’sauxiliarysoldiers started a fire. Aulus’s translator similarly notes that, although auxiliary forces accidentally burned many books while stationed in Alexandria: “By no means all of the Alexandrian Library was destroyed [in 48 BC] and the losses were made good, at least in part, by Antony in 41 B.C. A part of the library was burned under Aurelian, in A.D. 272, and the destruction seems to have been completed in 391.”[5]
In conclusion: Perhaps there were many, many, many mentions of alien visitation but at the time any such “visitation” might perhaps have been referred to as a visitation of “gods.”
“… this fantastical take” … rambling" …
OK.
… or maybe Graphene or better still Carbyne which is believed to be 40 times the tensile strength of diamond and twice as strong as Graphene.
Or perhaps this … Stephen Hawking, said “ … to my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational. We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.” Scary.
That’s a good point 
As other posters have said:
- yes, there are a truly vast number of Galaxies and stars (therefore probably planets too)
- however space is also truly vast and planets light-years away are unreachable by any technology we know (since matter can’t travel faster than light)
- therefore it is reasonable that there are aliens somewhere, but not that they have visited us.
Also there is no evidence of any alien visitation.
Using ancient texts, one can come up with anything - but that is not evidence.
I believe in an invisible force that our planet permanently exerts on us.
I believe in invisible waves that can heat food.
I believe that scientists can predict eclipses way in advance.
Show me the evidence and I’ll believe in aliens.
Indeed, this is the bit that believers in alien visitation tend to skip over. Yes, the odds are good that there is life on other planets - maybe many other planets. But those planets are very, very, very far away. Once you have to factor in FTL travel for the theory to work, the probability of visitation plummets dramatically.
It’s funny how modern reports have suddenly fallen away as well. I wonder why.
- There is a world of difference between “habitable” and “inhabited”.
- If all those “witnesses” are to be believed, we haven’t just been visited by aliens-we have been visit by thousands of different types of aliens.
- What is the best evidence you’ve got that aliens have visited us?
I see. So you are able to determine which parts of the Bible are fiction, and which are not fiction? What other parts are not fiction, and how do you know?
This constant condescension in lieu of actual evidence-Has this approach ever won over any converts in the past?
If Carbyne exists at all, which is still in dispute.
Okay Guys … By force of numbers the members who believe that I have posted a load of bullschtein have won this debate. (Are there no members who believe?)
So I cry "uncle’ … wonder how many kids today have heard this expression?
I concede … I give in … I say let us close this thread. Its run its course.
All in favor say “aye.”
Jamie Darle: “Aye!”
Hit the red triangle in the top corner of your post, then send a message that you started the thread, but may it please be closed now.
We haven’t “won the debate” because there’s more of us. To the extent the debate has been “won”, it’s because your argument is highly speculative, is ill-supported by either evidence or basic probability, and contains several verifiable inaccuracies. If you want to “win” next time, bring a better argument.
Also, if you’re grumpy just because we’re arguing with you, I assure you that we can argue about anything here. You’re welcome to stay, but if you do you might want to get used to it. It’s not just us picking on you; we do it to everyone.
No we can’t.
CMC fnord!
Well, at least there’s no one around going “I told you so”. They’re the worst!