The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)

OK, Chapter Two. I haven’t caught up with the thread since posting last night, so I apologize for ignoring any questions…I’ll get to them after Dawn…I hope…

When we left off, Nanook had just voted SG to put him into a 5-2 lead over Angel and Chronos. Then Mahaloth unvoted…I addressed this in yesterday’s post. Then I (post 217) voted for Angel while being very critical of the Spurious bandwagon. So all of a sudden it’s back to 4-3.

Then there’s no voting for quite a while…most of Page Six consists of me and ed arguing with Angel. I would encourage you all to go back and re-read those interactions.

I would like to note the conduct of Freudian Slit at this point. Although she kept her vote parked on Chronos all day (based on the impeccable reasoning that he was “being weird” and “stirring the pot too early”), she made many drive-by comments (including 218, 257, and 263, for example) expressing the belief that voting to execute was a very bad thing, but that editing was not necessarily anti-Town. IOW, seems like she was trying to steer votes away from Angel toward Spurious without actually putting her own vote on the record. I’m moderately suspicious of her for this.

In post 304, Angel votes Spurious to take it to 5-3. She says that she was reacting to Spurious’ vote to execute, and indeed she had already cast one vote (for me) based on that same logic, so that’s consistent. I imagine it may have also crossed her mind that she would probably get lynched if Spurious didn’t, and of course self-preservation is always a null tell. So although I remain very suspicious of Angel, this vote doesn’t increase my suspicion level at all.

Comes then Captain Pinkies to take it to 6-3, based on executing. Moderate suspicion based on timing.

At this point the writing is pretty much on the wall… It’s hard to know what to make of the players who came on to add their votes to a stack that pretty clearly didn’t need them. The simplest and likeliest explanation is that they just took a while to make up their minds and honestly decided Spurious was the scummiest candidate (and I don’t think we can repeat too often that in this game, just because someone spends their Days sincerely hunting scum doesn’t mean that they themselves are NOT scum!). Another possibility is self-preservation; they may have hoped that by going along with the crowd, they could avoid drawing attention on Day Two. This is better play for scum than town, but still very much something town might do.

So ordinarily I wouldn’t have much to say about these last few votes, but two of them are notably weird.

350: Meeko votes for Spurious, the only voter to offer no explanation whatsoever! We know it couldn’t have had to do with his vote to execute, since Meeko himself had earlier voted to execute. And this contrasts so markedly with his original vote for Chronos in post 181, when he practically wet himself trying to justify his vote. It makes me wonder if he might have gotten advice on his vote and/or his posting style…not on this board but, y’know, somewhere else. Moderate suspicion.

Telcontar had earlier voted for Ed, based on his being overaggressive in his pursuit of Angel (a criticism which, though I obviously didn’t feel as strongly about it as Telcontar did, I can certainly see as being reasonable and justified). Now, in post 384…well, I addressed it in post398. He claimes that “the vote is scattered” when it’s 7-3, and he now is somehow forced to choose between two candidates, both of whom he had earlier (see posts 151 and 258) defended…and somehow this is ed’s fault? This just reeks of nervous scum feeling the need to change his vote and straining too hard to justify it. It would be hard to see scum motivation here, since clearly there was no urgent need to move the vote from 7-3 to 8-3 late in the Day…but in his post, Telcontar implies that he thinks the vote is still 4-3. I can’t think why he would lie about that, so I think he probably really was confused. Which means that I should judge him as I would have if he had made that vote with that justification when it really was a close vote. Which means that I think he looks very scummy.

Bear Nenno, vote 9, just subbed in. Basically no suspicion.

Alright, that’s it for today. Sorry, I didn’t have time to go through and bold the names.

//oog// I’m going to see the Dead tonight!! Whee!!! :D:cool::stuck_out_tongue: //oog//

Attention once again!

Inner Stickler will be subbing in for GuyIncognitto!

Please give him a pleasant welcome.

Hiya! Off to reread the thread for comprehension now!

rolls eyes

You worry too much. Imagine two universes:
Universe A: I am aware of the vote total and consider it impossible for angel to overtake spurious. My vote is therefore has almost no practical value and, if I were scum, I’d be really silly to cast my vote on a flimsy justification.
Universe B: I think the vote is closer than it actually is. My justification that low vote totals are anti town is therefore valid.

I knew spurious was in the lead by a meaningful margin, but the vote total hadn’t been updated in awhile so I hadn’t realized quite how big it was. I think that scattered voting, which we certainly had for awhile there, is very anti town and I think the kind of “You don’t play mafia exactly the way I do therefore you must be SCUM!” arguments that came out against **angel **and **spurious **yesterday are bullying at best. These formalized methods - “This is a SCUM TELL!!! Who cares if it makes sense; it’s a RULE!!!” - seem about as likely to catch an actual mafia member as throwing darts at a board. As I said in my vote for spurious, I might have been as happy picking someone at random as making the choice presented to me (and yes, when time is short the choice is between the two vote leaders).

Let’s employ a little independent thinking here. I think we still have a few people left from The Split.* They should know that I am opposed to scattered voting as only a truly disorganized mafia faction will let one of their own die without 40-50% of the town voting against that player Elendil’s Heir, cough.

*actually I think only allwalker is left, and i note that he’s saying a lot more here than he did there. hmm.

As the sun began to make its round, so did the Reverends. For it was the job of those holy folk to wake everyone in a lesser state of grace. They did so so as to give those who may be tempted a bolstering of faith as their first memory every day. So did Reverend Dimmesdale*. As his flock started to grow in number, he paused, looking around. There was no similar movement on the other side, from Reverend Wilson. He broke protocol. They all broke protocol at that moment, running to the little church basement in fear. Reverend Dimmesdale tenatively entered, fearing what he might find.

Inside, lay Reverend Telcontar Wilson, stabbed with a sacrificial knife and laying at the bottom of his own altar. The altar was dripping with blood, and had his sanctified robes draped ironically on it. Perched on top was a Bible, open, with multiple sacreligious scrawls engraved within it, such as “If Yahweh exists, then he is the devil.”, and "Religion is responsible for all the evils in the world, and, more simply, “God does not exist.”.

It was a horrifying sight. Dimmesdale knew that the area had to be sanctified, lest God wreak revenge on the whole town for such a desecrated site. All of Reverend Wilson’s things were gathered into a pile, and burned. Tearfully, the group gathered together, and resumed their search for the one responsible.

Telcontar (Aegis/Purger) is dead.

*Just because I mention a character in the color doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a role in the game. Color is just color.

An Aegis is like a doctor, except that he blocks all evil influences instead of just killings. A Purger is like a reverse recruiter, forcefully pulling back sinning town to the fold.

Purger? Crap, that sounds like a role that could remove the Seed of Sin from a player.

Anybody remember what an Aegis is? I’m certain that I’ve seen the role before, but can’t remember anything about it.

Wow.

I haven’t read the whole thing(just popping in for a sec.)

Yeesh. Sorry, Telcontar.

I’m hoping this was dumb luck.

If not, then, I’m not so sure anyone but Tele. brought it on himself, somehow.

This COULD mean that scum have more detailed info on us.

It DOES mean that the game just ot harder. not easier.

Ped is loading this thing up 8 ways to Sunday.

Ped, get your F4 out, and you brought it on yourself:

**Was Telcontar an Aegis that was NOT pro town? **

Looks like Tel was a pure townie.

I am not sure how an impure townie could have been NK’d on night 1.

Odds are in the favor that he was Town.

**Who Offed Him? Sinners or Blackhearts? Shouldn’t we have had Two NKs ? **

Pede said an Aegis was a doctor that protected against killing and all evil influences, why would that imply anything but pro town?

He was Town.

Why not?

Help simple minded folks like Mahaloth. :slight_smile:

Telcontar was an Aegis and a Purger?

Yes. He aeged and purged.

This was an angle I was trying to get at earlier.

How are we using our terms here? I think we need to get a solid set of terms going. Ped probably will not help here.
I simply mean:

If the Town is “pure” I do not see how any pro-Town player can start the game off in a fractional state of Sin and / or Blackheartedness.

Assume for the moment that a NK on Night 1 was guaranteed to be a townie. (Not too hard to assume, given the odds, and indeed, what did happen.)

At what point in the game, so far, could the townie NKd on night 1 become impure?

**
In the passive, or active sense? **

That is, did he get to make his choice before he was offed? Or was he a,* if you will*, “Virgin” Aegis / Purger?

It was a pun. Nothing more.